Iranian troops attack to South Kurdistan

[zerdest]

Iranian troops have come into Southern Kurdistan and are using heavey weapons against PKK and PJAK .

Iraq has protested Iran's attacking to Iraq's land.
this is the second time since 20 april that Iran has entered Iraq to fight kurds.
acording to news, they are using super heavy weapons.

[zerdest]

iranians have arrested a 20 year old kurdish girl, they wanted to rape her in the persion , and she did sucide...she is hospital now.

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they have killed 5 peshmega kurds
acording to PJAK site , Turkish troops are also in the South Kurdistan and both iranian and turkish troops are fightings PKK/PJAK .

it is seems Rice's Visiting Turkey and Iran's recent talks with America has been so effective .

[Tirigan]

Let them bomb the mountains/stones. I’m sure these are last convulsions of our enemies, Turks and Iranians. Our army in South-Kurdistan is much stronger than Turkish and Iranian army combined.

And btw. Nobody can stop 40 million Kurds. If our population was not so big, even USA helped our enemies. But USA know that even superpowers on earth can’t stop us, 40 million Kurds.

[Tirigan]

Is this all what Turkssss and Iranians can do?

[tomjez]

Our army in South-Kurdistan is much stronger than Turkish and Iranian army combined.

[Fortuna]

iranians have arrested a 20 year old kurdish girl, they wanted to rape her in the persion , and she did sucide...she is hospital now.

Why was she arrested? I have looked at the link but i cant read it. Is she going to live? and will she still be arrested if she does survive?

[Tirigan]

Our army in South-Kurdistan is much stronger than Turkish and Iranian army combined.

Do you know how much weapons we “inherit” form Saddam era? And we were always lions of our mountains. Nobody can destroy us in our mountains. Especially not Turksss or Iranians. Turkish and Iranian armour vehicles are nothing in the mountains, they’re like match-boxes. And we Kurds have heavy artillery too. And what about enemy air-force? Kurds need only stingers too shoot those bitches down. Btw. why do you thing we build so many airports in Kurdistan?

And more important, we Kurds are more men than Turks and Iranians combined. They can’t fight.

[Piling]

Without military air forces, it would be very difficult for Kurds to resist. Guerilla, ok, but militaty actions just with infantry ?

For the moment the best shield is Iraq, for Turkey and Iran could hesitate to attack an "official" UN member. If Kurdistan become independant one day, its only chance is NATO basis on its ground or its own military weapons.

(and the weapons let by Saddam are nothing, just old rusty vehicles...)

[Tirigan]

That our leaders in the south decided to be part of Iraq is just a play. We are waiting for the liberation of whole Kurdistan. When all parts of Kurdistan will be free, our leaders will proclaim independent Kurdistan. If we proclaim Kurdistan right now, it will be very difficult for us to ask for our land in Iran and Turkey. That’s why we’re waiting for democration progress in Turkey and Iran.

Our leaders can announce independent Kurdistan right now. But it will be not a smart move to do that, because if we want the whole Kurdistan we must wait!

Do not forget that the great SOVIET-UNION lost the Afghan war because of STINGERS! In the mountains STINGERS are more powerful than airplanes or helicopters.

[Piling]

Stingers, yes... And US never allowed to Kurds to have stingers; They even bought stinger to Afghani to avoid that PKK, KDP and PUK got them. But if Iran and Turkey want to crush Kurdistan no need to army. They just have to close the borders.

We know that Iraq has no use but to be a temporary shield for Kurds.

[Tirigan]

Stingers, yes... And US never allowed to Kurds to have stingers; They even bought stinger to Afghani to avoid that PKK, KDP and PUK got them.

If you have oil, you have money. And when you have money you can buy and have everything. Than you have power! That's why our enemies are doing everything to prevent that we got the control over our oil.

But if Iran and Turkey want to crush Kurdistan no need to army. They just have to close the borders.

I hope you don’t believe in such fairytales. Come on who can ever isolate a land whith such richness. We have gas, oil, water everything. We can feed ourselves without help of others and we can feed the whole 3rd world. And USA, China, India need our oil!

Israel, USA will never let Turks isolate Kurds. Nobody is listening to the Turks. Turks are nothing. They can do what they are doing best; is barking.

Israel need a real ally. And that’s Kurdistan. If Kurds lose, that’s mean Israel will lose. And if Israel lose, the whole free world will lose, with USA and western-Europe in it. It’s not black and white. The situation is more complicated than we think.

[Piling]

Kurds and Israël are not so closed allies. Israël has had always sympathy for Kurds, but they have managed their Turkish ally all the time... or Iran when they were friends with Iran. They had let crushing the Kurdish revolution of Barzani in 1967, and in 1975,Kissinger let the Kurds after the Accords of Alger, and in 1991, Americans let massacre Shiites and WOuld have let the same thing happen to Kurds without UK and France.

Oil ? Of course, but for that reason countries don't want to let born a powerful Kurdistan. And since the beginning of times Kurdistan is rich, but without way of external communication. Kurdistan is condemned to find an agreement with Turkey.

If US finish by accepting a free Kurdistan, it would be against its will, just because Southern Iraqi are impossible to manage. For that reason chaos in Iraq is the best chance to Kurds. But d'ont think that Israel or US government are so fond of Kurdish freedom. It don't talk about people, but about governemnts. Each country is looking for its own and exclusive interests.

[Tirigan]

Kurds and Israël are not so closed allies. Israël has had always sympathy for Kurds, but they have managed their Turkish ally all the time... or Iran when they were friends with Iran. They had let crushing the Kurdish revolution of Barzani in 1967, and in 1975,Kissinger let the Kurds after the Accords of Alger, and in 1991, Americans let massacre Shiites and WOuld have let the same thing happen to Kurds without UK and France.

Turkye is not a reliable ally anymore, since they bombed a synagogue in Turkye. Turks are Muslims and will never be real friends of Israel. About 1 moth ago Turkye even invited Hamas for talks etc. Israel knows that they never can trust Turkssssss
Kurds on the other hands have historical connections with Jews and Jewish people. Kurds as people and a nation were never against Jews.

Those times are over! We have much more power than about 15 years ago...

BTW. We will never forget how French MIRAGES bombed us, KURDS. Americans are much better than British and French or German dogs.

Oil ? Of course, but for that reason countries don't want to let born a powerful Kurdistan.

But those countries have no power! Israel on other side wants powerful Kurdistan and Israel has power.

If US finish by accepting a free Kurdistan, it would be against its will, just because Southern Iraqi are impossible to manage.

Exactly! Nobody can control the will of 40 million people! And not just some people, but 40 million KURDS!

[Piling]

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Americans are much better than British and French or German dogs.

Lol, Americans were the strongest support to Saddam during Anfal. And they have helped Iraqi army too. And in 1991 Bush senior was the man who refuses to suppress the regime and let the Shiites massacred (after having promised to help them).

An let's remember Kissinger's betrayal in 1975.

US are good allies because they are in trouble with Arabs and Iranians. It is a good aspect for Kurds, but they should not forget that any nation is friend with ohter one. They are ally or ennemy, that's all.[/code][/list

[tomjez]

Exactly! Nobody can control the will of 40 million people! And not just some people, but 40 million KURDS!

Well it has been controled for 90 years...

Sorry but with all the love and respect I have for kurds, they can't win any war against a conventional army.... Turkey has the second army in NATO, Airplanes, Tanks, heavy artillery, Attack Choppers...of course they could not "conquer" the whole of southern kurdistan because Kurds are good in Guerilla, but control the major cities and crush the most of the peshmerga forces yes they can, sorry.

Of course I doubt they would do it !!!!

Peshmergas are certainly courageous and good enough to fight against arab terrorists, not good enough to beat Iranian and Turkish army with one hand...

40 000 000 people? Great! If you want to play with numbers Turkey is 70 000 000 (OK minus the Kurds 50 000 000) and Iran about the same...

And by the way its 40 000 000 Kurds unable and unwilling to unite, fighting eachother for 1000 years, stop fantasming and have a look at real life and real history.

Biji Kurdistan anyway...[/quote]