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PostAuthor: Diri » Wed May 17, 2006 5:59 pm

zurderer wrote:1 AKP 31,13 4.583
2 CHP 18,80 2.768
3 MHP 18,52 2.726
4 BBP 13,80 2.031
5 DYP 9,03 1.329
6 GP 1,79 264
7 DEHAP 1,78 262

Dehap got 1,78% and MHP got 18.52 so kangal is not kurdish.

http://www.belgenet.net/ayrinti.php?il_ ... &x=81&y=18


and This is Zara.

1 CHP 30,94 3.904
2 AKP 29,54 3.727
3 MHP 18,88 2.382
4 BBP 5,77 728
5 DYP 3,62 457
6 ANAP 3,48 439
7 SP 2,79 352
8 GP 1,40 177
9 DEHAP 1,15 145
http://www.belgenet.net/ayrinti.php?il_ ... &x=36&y=15

Dehap got 1,15% and Mhp got 18,88% absolutely not a kurdish town again. Thanks.


Or will you call zara as asimilated kurdish town too?


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I am glad you are at this forum, Zurderer - AT LEAST YOU MAKE ME LAUGH! hahahaahhahaha


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PostAuthor: zurderer » Wed May 17, 2006 6:04 pm

well cant see why are you laughing much. Will you share your reason? I want to laugh too.

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PostAuthor: tomjez » Fri May 19, 2006 10:16 am

you're a great politologist zurderer I love your analysis...
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PostAuthor: Piling » Fri May 19, 2006 11:03 am

yeap it is a admirative laughing.
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PostAuthor: zurderer » Mon May 22, 2006 10:35 am

you're a great politologist zurderer I love your analysis...


It is better than saying this city is kurdish, that city is kurdish or those cities are kurdish bullshit.


By the way, do you have other datas that can help us?

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PostAuthor: KurdistaniIraq » Sat May 27, 2006 2:13 am

Last time I checked, Turks were the one that were claiming everything.

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PostAuthor: Diri » Sat May 27, 2006 11:32 am

Zurderer...

HOW can you claim to tell us WHO lives a place by showing us what they VOTED for? :lol:

That is absolutly silly...

And mark my words - I said ASSIMILATED KURDS... They have mostly been Turified over the decades - especially north of Dersîm and even in Dersîm... :(

But they are KURDS... If they were educated on their own roots and their culture - I am sure a lot of them would renounce anything Turkish... And they would also do that if they didn't feel the treath of being prosecuted for being Kurdish...

KENGAL IS KURDISTANI:
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PostAuthor: Vladimir » Sat May 27, 2006 3:10 pm

Is the Kangal living in Dersim? Then it's Zaza :lol:
The suppression of ethnic cultures and minority religious groups in attempting to forge a modern nation were not unique to Turkey but occurred in very similar ways in its European neighbours - Bruinessen.

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PostAuthor: Diri » Sat May 27, 2006 3:49 pm

Vladimir wrote:Is the Kangal living in Dersim? Then it's Zaza :lol:


Kengal can be found ALL over Kurdistan... See the blog I linked! :roll:
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PostAuthor: SK » Sat May 27, 2006 5:07 pm

my dad had one nd he lived in sulaimani 8) but i havent seen a lot in kurdistan
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PostAuthor: zurderer » Sat May 27, 2006 5:49 pm

Diri wrote:Zurderer...

HOW can you claim to tell us WHO lives a place by showing us what they VOTED for? :lol:

That is absolutly silly...

And mark my words - I said ASSIMILATED KURDS... They have mostly been Turified over the decades - especially north of Dersîm and even in Dersîm... :(

But they are KURDS... If they were educated on their own roots and their culture - I am sure a lot of them would renounce anything Turkish... And they would also do that if they didn't feel the treath of being prosecuted for being Kurdish...

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Realy? you are talking like half of anatolia was kurdish. Sorry my friend, Infact before armenian exile-genocide, that places were named as armenistan, not kurdistan. Kurds enlargeD their land with Yavuz Sultan Selim(He invited sunni kurds against shia iran), and exile of armenians. Can you show me, a kurdish history at sivas? or a kurdish thing?

vote is important, It is a better sign than only claim turkish lands as asimilated kurdish ones, because even dtp got more vote at istanbul or izmir than sivas. and guess what, majority of dtp voters are infact kurds.

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PostAuthor: Diri » Sat May 27, 2006 7:06 pm

Hahaha! :lol: Let ME show you something:

Racial Map of Europe from a book published in 1923:
http://www.anesi.com/rmap1.jpg


Kurds enlarged their lands? :lol:

I think you need to stop being so paranoid... I am not claiming half of Anatolia and I am not claiming SIVAS... Keep your damn Sivas... I am talking about Zara and the towns south-east of it...

Dersîm for example has been turkified to a great extent - and that is further "inside" Kurdistan - so why shouldn't Zara and cities in the pereferies be MORE turkified? Seems logical to me...

Kurds may not have ALWAYS been the majority of the population north of Dersîm, but they lived there - and after the Armenian Genocide - Kurds became the majority...

Then Atatürk denied the existence of a Kurdish people - and the uprisings began - Kurds were slaughtered by the tens of thousands and Kurdish culture/identity erased from some places for ever... Like when Turks set fire on Kurds who were hiding in caves... This was very common thing - killing them to get rid of them... Not to "crush" the uprising... Just to get rid of them...

But they didn't manage to kill of them... So the remaining - were either deported to central Turkey or assimilated in other ways...

Kurds lived on those lands long before any Turk set foot in Anatolia...

Once Greeks were in the West and Kurds and Armenians in the East... In those times - everybody lived in peace because nationality was not what people identified with - they identified with their community; Tribal, religious and linguistic...

claim turkish lands as asimilated kurdish ones


What you are calling Turkish lands - have never been Turkish lands... So if you WANNA claim that - go ahead...
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PostAuthor: Tirigan » Sat May 27, 2006 7:49 pm

When Turks fought against Christians/Armenians they took the opportunity and crushed Yezidi Kurds in north too. My grandparent flew form northern Kurdistan to Russian empire, from our region between Van and Kars. Alevi (Zaza) Kurds knew they were next because of their religion. They are not Sunni Muslims, so they knew that they were next. That’s why sheiks Said revolt against Sunni Muslim Ottoman rulers. And it was to late for Turks to destroy Alevi (Zaza) Kurds.

We all know dirty politics of the Turks. They are now destroying last Yezidi villages in north Kurdistan. Who do you think are the biggest victims of Turkish gathering of troops near South-Kurdistan border. Yezidi Kurds. Last Yezidi Kurds are living their villages now!
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PostAuthor: zurderer » Sun May 28, 2006 7:37 pm



Well If you realy love racial maps, you will see most of northern kurds were asimilated armenians, like eastern Turks. So this racial thing is totally out of question

I think you need to stop being so paranoid... I am not claiming half of Anatolia and I am not claiming SIVAS... Keep your damn Sivas... I am talking about Zara and the towns south-east of it...


1 CHP 30,94 3.904
2 AKP 29,54 3.727
3 MHP 18,88 2.382
4 BBP 5,77 728
5 DYP 3,62 457
6 ANAP 3,48 439
7 SP 2,79 352
8 GP 1,40 177
9 DEHAP 1,15 145

So you want to say, kurdistan should include this people too? Maybe you should not talk about zara, because as I see, People at zara dont talk about kurdistan.

Dersîm for example has been turkified to a great extent - and that is further "inside" Kurdistan - so why shouldn't Zara and cities in the pereferies be MORE turkified? Seems logical to me...

This is tunceli,

1 DEHAP 32,55 13.470
2 CHP 24,62 10.188 2 listesi »
3 DYP 13,23 5.477
4 MHP 9,85 4.075
5 AKP 6,67 2.759
6 ANAP 4,74 1.961
7 YTP 2,17 897
8 DSP 1,25 518
9 İP 1,03 426
10 GP 0,76 315

As you see, Dersim is far from becoming turkified, your logic dont work fine.
Kurds lived on those lands long before any Turk set foot in Anatolia...


Not true, kurds settled there, with ottomans. And remember infact a lot of armenian was kurdified, like greeks turkified.

Once Greeks were in the West and Kurds and Armenians in the East... In those times - everybody lived in peace because nationality was not what people identified with - they identified with their community; Tribal, religious and linguistic...


Once greeks were at west and armenians were at east.(There were no kurds), and no everybody is not lived in peace. It is byzantium who destroyed armenian states, and try to convert them orthodoxy.

What you are calling Turkish lands - have never been Turkish lands... So if you WANNA claim that - go ahead...


Realy so why are you calling kurdish lands? have never been kurdish land, but armenian land. You land were at iran. zagros mountains.


They are not Sunni Muslims, so they knew that they were next. That’s why sheiks Said revolt against Sunni Muslim Ottoman rulers. And it was to late for Turks to destroy Alevi (Zaza) Kurds.


where did you read that stupid history? Sheik Said revolt is a religious one, and he was sunni, not alevi. Plus he fought for caliphate not kurdish independence.

And it is not when Turks fough against christians, but turks and kurds. I am sure It is not only turks who attacked yezidi kurds, but also kurds too.

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PostAuthor: tomjez » Sun May 28, 2006 7:55 pm

I see Zurderer is still convinced than an electoral result equals an ethnic map :lol:

anyway what is really important here

Racial Map of Europe from a book published in 1923:
http://www.anesi.com/rmap1.jpg


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and we're still there
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