KURDISH ARTISTS ARE COMING CLEAN!

[Diri]

GUYS I AM SO HAPPY! TAKE A LOOK AT THIS SITE -

http://www.kerkuk-kurdistan.com/nuceyek ... nimre=4698

Now the Kurdish artists in North Kurdistan are openly saying that they are KURDS! HURRAAAA - The first one out was Ahmet Kaya - and that was some years back - but NOW - Ibrahim Talises and Mahsum Kirmizigül - I would never have expected Mahsum to admit it! WE ALL KNEW THEY WERE KURDS ANYWAY!

[dyaoko]

I am not that happy...they always felt shame to admit they are kurds...
because kurds are poor ... kurds dont have high class cars ....

Mahson and Ibrahim Tatlist can go to hell...

our artist are Siwan Perwer and others who put theirself in danger and honored for being Kurd.
they didnt sell their being kurd to get a turkish pussy .

[kassem]

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[Vladimir]

damn too bad you can't translate it hehe.. I want to have it in Englishh
But they are both ... how you call it "traitors" or??

[Diri]

Excuse me - but where the **** did you people leave YOUR EGOES??? What the hell have you done for Kurdistan? Got anything to show for??? And by the way - all your nice talk about how we should be forgetfull of Turks and Arabs and call them "brother" aren't worth shit if you can't call your REAL brothers for "brothers"...

Just why do you think that they haven't PUBLICLY called themselves Kurds??? Try to show just a little bit of sympathy! And yeah - THEY ARE risking THEIR lives EVEN now!

Don't you get it? Before they went by codes - when they said "I am from east Turkey" - All the Kurds and Turks KNEW that they meant they were KURDS... Those were the rules - If they had said they were Kurds at that time, they wouldn't have had the chance to do something for our culture TODAY!!!

Go by this rule: "Flee today to live another day - a day when you may ACTUALLY WIN your battles"

Just tell me about ONE thing that you people have done out in the open for the public to see - IN THE NAME OF KURDISHNESS OR KURDISTAN...

Besides I am afraid many of you know not WHO Tatlises and Kirmizigül ARE - I remember when Tatlises came to Oslo two years ago (One year PRIOR to the damn EU's talks with Turkey) and he SANG IN KURDISH - He EVEN SAID SLOGANS LIKE - "Lêxin, lêxin - destê Tirka bishkînin!" Translates into= "Hit it! Hit it! Break Turkeys hands"

He has NEVER been a fan of Turkey - and NO - He does NOT defend the teritorrial integrety of Turkey and Neither does Kirmizigül - take a peek at the picture in my link - Kirmizigül is SITTING in front of the flag that REPRESENTS KURDISTAN!

Now come and tell me that he has been a coward and is a traitor! Why do you people see things as either BLACK or WHITE??? It's NOT that simple... Many of you may be TOO young to FULLY comprehend the affects and causes of these situations -

Kassem -
When you are talking about the PKK - Why do you ALWAYS defend them? And Why do you ALWAYS attack th PUK AND KDP??? Why can't you say the same about these two singers??? They HAVE NOT KILLED KURDS - The PKK HAS - which one is the better??? And still you claim they are NO good for Kurdistan???


They are most utterly the main advocates of Kurdish culture - Isn't it fantastic that Tatlises came to Amed and sang KURDISH songs on NEWROJ??? And are you saying that by doing this he did NOT put his career in second row and that he did NOT put himself in danger???

He is a TRUE Kurd! I will not tolerate that ANY KURD CALLS ANOTHER KURD LESS KURDISH!!! TELL ME WHAT MAKES YOU ANY BETTER THAN HIM???

THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO SHOULD BE LOOKED DOWN ON ARE KURDS WHO DENY THEIR KURDISHNESS - AND WHEN THEY FINALLY ADMIT IT _ THEY MUST BE FORGIVEN...

When talking about black or white - YOU must not forget that ALL Kurds try using politicaly correct language - off course! they fear for their lives...

OHHHH - DAMN - I AM SO ANGRY WITH YOU GUYS!!! I ALMOST WANNA CALL YOU TRAISTORS! ALMOST -JUST LIKE YOU CALL PEOPLE THAT CALL PKK TERRORISTS FOR TRAITORS - KASSEM...



I don't know what to say... I am shocked... I was waiting positive and (non-the-less) -REFLECTED comments... but all you see is your black and white paper... Give me just ONE reason to why you are ANY better at promoting KURDISHNESS... ARE YOU BETTER KURDS???

Cheeeeeeers... So why should I be a proud Kurd when you are calling eachother traitors? Aren't we done with that yet??? Stop blaming others for your own missery - Go and fix the it if its wrong - don't sit around whining like that... but hey - say what ever you wanna say... just remember that you too will be judged...

[Emmunah]

This is great news! Because it is like a movie I once watched where someone was accused of a crime, and the person was not guilty, but they had a name....and I don't remember the name.....let's say it was "Mustafa Adama". In this movie, when they announced the name of the person they were going to put to death for the crime....every one stood up one by one, and said "I am Mustafa Adama" and as more and more people stood up and said they were this person, the authorities realized they could not do anything and they were powerless.

As more and more people stand and say "I am Kurd", it means that the authorities have less power, just like in the movie. If all of the people, who have been silent for so long, went outside and said "I AM KURD" then no one would have the power to keep them down anymore. For each person, who was not so brave before, but finally found their courage to stand and say "I AM KURD"....welcom them, embrace them and more and more people will follow. But if you tease them, and turn them away, then no more will follow their lead. Now that you know they are standing and saying "I AM KURD" then you buy their art and show them support.

[Diri]

THANK GOD EMMUNAH!

TELL THEM! I am SO angry with them! I can't understand why they are thinking like their enemies WANT them to think... They have been subject to negative influence... I only hope that they will realize what you are saying and - seemingly respect your words - As I believe people here respect you through your many bloggs and writings...

[Emmunah]

Diri, don't be mad at anyone. You have to have a certain look at it. See, before WWII, in Germany there were two very different kinds of Jews. There were assimilated Jews who mocked the Jews that were traditional. They thought they were fitting into German society very nicely. They thought "I am German" and they were not religious, and they did not want to be known as Jews, but as Germans. Then....Hitler came to power and they started looking at birth records to see if you even had one Jewish grandparent....all of a sudden, those assimilated Jews found out that they were not Germans...they would always be Jews.

A few years ago in France, De villapan (can't remember his name, but I think he was a foreign minister or something) reported on a terrorist attack. He said something like "Four Frenchman and two Jews were killed". The french Jews have lived there for centuries, but still they are separate from Frenchmen.

I can understand the feeling...you want to scream at these people "OH....so NOW you're Kurdish huh?!"...the same way the Jews wanted to scream at the other Jews who tried to pretend to be Germans. But in the end, we learned a lesson from it, and I think other Kurds are standing up because they are learning that lesson too.

[Diri]

DEAR EMMUNAH - YOU GOT IT ALL WRONG...

When I said I was angry - I meant I was angry with the KURDS ON THIS FORUM! I am well aware of all this... I see myself as the MOST tolerant person in the world... And I got angry when they attacked Tatlises and Kirmizigül - So you got it wrong -I am welcoming the singers! Not turning my back to them ---- DIDN*T YOU READ MY POST??? The long one with many SHOUTS!

Well... there would be thy answer my friend...

[pesh17]

Ok guys. I will make it simple as this. The day that Ibrahim Tatlises and Mahsun Kirmizgul make a kurdish cd. I mean Kurdish cd, not with ibo's (although i am a huge fan) one "rinda min" song, that he put in his latest Cd, Araman is when i will call both of them kurdish. When they sacrifice a couple of dollars to progress their language and culture that is still suffering so much. Diri heval, i think we all have done what we can here in the for the kurdish cause. I hope you dont think that the only way is picking up a gun, and going to the mountians. I and my friends started a local kurdish youth center down here, lasted only a couple of months, but we did try, and hoping to start it up again this summer. In the mean time we proudly rais our heads, and say "Ez kurdim" and whenever we get the chance, speak kurdish instead of english. But you cant really call Ibo and Mahsun saints heval. Just because you sing a couple of kurdish songs here and there, doesnt mean as much as you think. I know one kurdish cd, that ibo makes, can do more than any culture center in diyarbekir for our kurdish culture, but he has yet to still do that. So we will wait. Mahsun, well, he is no where near the kurdish that ibo is though, i have to admit that. But I love Ibo, he's one of my favorites.

[Emmunah]

Sorry Diri...I was not writing clearly. What I meant was do not be mad at the Kurds on this forum who have that reaction to the artists/musicians/sports players ect... who suddenly decided to say they are Kurds.

I understand how people can feel betrayed in this way, because this was something we always exprienced too....you want to say "Where were you when we were suffering and you were playing Turk"?! But, on the other hand, whenever someone does find courage to say "Ez Kurdim" (is that right?), they should get support because then more will be likely to stand up and say that too.

It also may mean that being Kurdish is becoming more popular in the world...wouldn't that be wonderful:)

I did not mean to say you were mad at the artists, it was my confusing post. Both reactions are understandable from an emotional perspective.

Now...how do I write them and tell them I am proud of them and offer my support? Anyone have an address? Will someone interpret or will that be needed?

[kassem]

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[Diri]

GOD I am almost sick of this forum... not sick enough to let it pass by though.. so:


First of all - I never in my posts said that I was FOR a war... and for people picking up guns ;
Appereantly - you are the agressive one here - "Pesh" for peshmerge???
Pesh17 said:

Diri heval, i think we all have done what we can here in the for the kurdish cause. I hope you dont think that the only way is picking up a gun, and going to the mountians.

Second:

Kassem wrote:

look man, I understand tatlises is putting himself in danger... good for him... but he's still a pro-government kurd and will always be in my opinion. he always claims he is for the "territorial integrity" of turkey. then good for him. and then turks come and say "see this is only these fascist kurds who want their own country" when it's actually almost everybody. you can't just have somebody do that and then you're like "woohoo I love thi guy". if he keeps in this way and really does thing for our cause, then we'll see

Look man, yourself... I can't understand how you are rolling yoruself in dobble morals here... first its like :Hey everybody is our friend - and then it is Hey we hate kurds who say they are kurds... Hello??? am I the only one reacting to such thoughtless and unlogical rhetoric???

Let me just put my views like this - so that nobody misunderstands..:
I welcome the artist because they are important in expanding kurdishness... even if they sing in turkish (which is not the case with Tatlises)... And probably in the future they won't be singing in Turkish... they will be singing in both... so Kassem - your were the one talking about "brother turks" -- singing in both languages WILL be a bridge between turks and Kurds... Don't you see that???

[kassem]

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[ZaniYar]

look man, I understand tatlises is putting himself in danger... good for him... but he's still a pro-government kurd and will always be in my opinion. he always claims he is for the "territorial integrity" of turkey. then good for him. and then turks come and say "see this is only these fascist kurds who want their own country" when it's actually almost everybody. you can't just have somebody do that and then you're like "woohoo I love thi guy". if he keeps in this way and really does thing for our cause, then we'll see.

Kassm Layla Zana has always said too that they want 'territorial integrity'. However, i don't mean compare Ibo with Layla Zana, just becuase we all know very well what kurds went through especially in Turkey. and we understand why Layla Zana say that....If she mention Kurdistan word then again will regard her as a terorist.

As we all know during Arabisation of Karkuk many kurds there they registerd themselves as Arabs, therefore they didn't loose their houses and after the 2003 Iraq war they came up clean and said we are kurds and we were forced to do this. Moreover they voted for Kurdistan political parties. My point is, the people whom they stood up with couarges and said they are kurds they lost what they had and we still have lots of trouble to get those people's properties back... and we still not sure they will success with getting properties back or not and that matter has became a great obstacle for us . so don't u think those pple registerd themselves as arabs did a good decision?

Believe it or not in all part of Kurdistan peshmarga cause great damges rather than beneficial. As it happend in Halabja... many people warne them not bring in Iranian Passdar in to the town , but they didn't listen then they came in... after the disaster they all run back to where they came from.. My point is, every single Kurdish has right to come back and we should welcome them as long as their hands wont be red with blood,should not be forced or taxed by political parties under any circumstances.

Qassm I lost two of my brothers and 3 of my uncles... all they were good educated and my uncle were doctors and my brothers were teachers... they became peshmarges all they killed in 2 years... I really regret now and I think if they had a chance to come back to life ... they would ve regreted too.... They were all missleaded by political parties and their achivements have became a great business for their boss in Sweden.. they all have opened private business and properties fot themselves and their families with the blood of whom got killed for Kurdistan and justice.

Qassm are u aware all (X- Jashes) are all in charge in south Kurdistan?!!!! Even most of them are commited many crimes aginst kurds , Tahsin Shawais and Shix Jaeffr just example of them.. Whoever has comitted crimies must be prosecute by court. All in all, I know its bit late but still not too late for Mahsun Qrmzi and Ibo should be welcomed with encouragement and they will have great affect on kurdish issue. I wish Ahmad Kaya was still alive by now too and people like him wont be forgotten.