Which Kurdî do you speak?

[womanizer]

Stop excitement dude!! Chile out!! Writing with Red Dot and warnings me sign of weakness, you missing point here, ,how would able handle some fascist Turks or Arab which they using philosophical argument , just come AFJ forum see it yourself, you should learn how to respond to critics (even in your term you think I am impolite) in professional manners
I already told you in beginning, you asked for challenged, as I know when come to desperation, you start banning me, This is not definitely not what Kurdish nationalist do or act , so I am really questioning that? You have to admit your sentence mistake in this post, you title in this post was wrong perception and is not good for Kurdish cause at all

[Diri]

Stop excitement dude!! Chile out!! Writing with Red Dot and warnings me sign of weakness, you missing point here, ,how would able handle some fascist Turks or Arab which they using philosophical argument , just come AFJ forum see it yourself, you should learn how to respond to critics (even in your term you think I am impolite) in professional manners
I already told you in beginning, you asked for challenged, as I know when come to desperation, you start banning me, This is not definitely not what Kurdish nationalist do or act , so I am really questioning that? You have to admit your sentence mistake in this post, you title in this post was wrong perception and is not good for Kurdish cause at all

Your English here is realy not understandable... Sorry - I don't understand all of it... But I will adress what I did understand:


1) What is "AFJ" short for?
2) You were warned because you started making SERIOUS personal attacks - saying you were more Kurdish than other Kurds and all the swearing you did.
3) You have been on this forum for maybe three days - and you already act like you know me.
4) Are YOU gonna teach me how to "respond to critic in professional manners" (sic).
5) You are not gonna be banned. Stop being so dramatical.
6) "Which Kurdî do you speak?" is not a grammatically incorrect sentence.
7) What is "good" for the Kurdish nation and struggle, is a VERY subjective thing:
Islamists say Sharia is best for Kurdistan.
Communists say communism is best for Kurdistan.
Capitalists say Liberalism is best for Kurdistan... ETC.

So don't try to portray "being Kurdish" as either "RIGHT" or "WRONG" - there is a whole lot more to it than that, my dear friend...

We can discuss things here. I am active on two other forums, and I see no need to go to yet one more forum. If you wanna discuss, be open-minded, don't have a fixed mind. We can share ideas, but we can not enforce our ideas on others.

[womanizer]

1) What is "AFJ" short for?

American Armed Forces Journal(AFJ)
http://www.armedforcesjournal.com/forums/
see our posts in blood borders.

2) You were warned because you started making SERIOUS personal attacks - saying you were more Kurdish than other Kurds and all the swearing you did.

ahahha that is true, but you have start with masvie insult without accpting yourmistake.

3) You have been on this forum for maybe three days - and you already act like you know me.

well i dont think that, this place is like work place that i need to earn respact, like when sombody start new job, have to be extrimlly good, this political cultural debate matters that concern kurds, that is why i am here

4) Are YOU gonna teach me how to "respond to critic in professional manners" (sic).

no, I wouldnt, but you should learn yourslf,i notice from your respond.

5) You are not gonna be banned. Stop being so dramatical.

that is good , so at least we can have alot heated Debate

6) "Which Kurdî do you speak?" is not a grammatically incorrect sentence.

I strongly, believe that is incorrect, the reason is very simple, such sentence imply to Kurdish as multiple language, it is bad impression , is like nation which doesn’t have common language, therefore is wrong, saying “Which Kurdish(kurdi) dialect do you speak is more appropriate

7) What is "good" for the Kurdish nation and struggle, is a VERY subjective thing:
Islamists say Sharia is best for Kurdistan.
Communists say communism is best for Kurdistan.
Capitalists say Liberalism is best for Kurdistan... ETC.

So don't try to portray "being Kurdish" as either "RIGHT" or "WRONG" - there is a whole lot more to it than that, my dear friend...

We can discuss things here. I am active on two other forums, and I see no need to go to yet one more forum. If you wanna discuss, be open-minded, don't have a fixed mind. We can share ideas, but we can not enforce our ideas on others.

I am not portraying such thing as you putting it, rather we have to have common things in terms of national interest, so that nothing to do with communism or Islamism, or nationalism etc...

[missIndependent]

OH MY GOD!
STOP IT YOU TWO!

Diri, in my last post, i was being sarcastic
cuz to be honest i liked it when in other posts you did admit it where you were wrong or where you had gone far! so, i was only hoping to get another one which i knew you are NOT gonna do!

now, go back to the discussion, i don't really see something wrong with the sentence! however "Which Kurdish dialect do you speak?" would be another way of asking it!

dear womanizer, you are new in this forum, so, probably you can't judge Diri's nationalism and question his kurdishness, i've only known him for a short period of time and in this lil time, i've discovered and admired kak Diri and his family nationalism and Kurdishness.
i dont really know you, but that doesn't give me the right to question your love for Kurdistan or your knowledge about Kurdish language.

so, chill out everyone

and YES, im the Queen of rojBash and RojHelat and Kurdistan

[abdur]

jerry jerry

[Shevin]

soranî

[AlanG]

Full Sorani, with Qaladze dialect

[Diri]

The Soranî branch of Kurdî has 10 votes...
The Kurmancî branch of Kurdî has 8 votes...

Where did the Goran's and Zazak's go?



"Come out come out - where ever you are..."

[Emanoel Natawaparwar]

Snă Şarăkăm! Ăwă Mn Ăŕom
Hărcăn Dĺwapăs Be Ĥûrmăti Tom
Xwărătawăkăy Lci Pasarëm
Ta La Keytăwă, Năma Asarëm

“Modern Kurdish Poem (In Ărdăĺani Accent of Sorani Dialect)”


*Hăwler (Irbil), current capital of southern Kurdistan, is an ancient Kurdish city. It was capital of Jewish Kingdom of Kurdistan which (if I’m not mistaken) Izătes established.
As I will explain it in later paragraphs there are two main Kurdish dialect or language. Kurmanji and Gorani which indeed belong to a same root and are the most closest relatives of each other. At first Hăwler was in Kurmanji spoken areas then by appearance of Sorani dialect became a Sorani speaking region. Even at present time it’s clear that Sorani dialect of Hăwler is the closest Sorani subdialect to Kurmanji dialect. Both Sorani and Kurmanji locals live in Hăwler and also Sorani and Kurmanji migrators.


*Dialect of Snă (Ărdăĺani)

If I’m not mistaken, since ~1100 to ~1920 Ărdăĺani dynasty rulled in some parts of eastern Kurdistan mainly including cities of Snă, Măriwan, Qûrwă, Bijaŕ, Kamyaran, Pawă and (around half millennium on) Kărkuk. They choosed Snă as capital and Gorani dialect as their territories language which by 1900 was spoken in Snă and still there are many folklores and expressions in Gorani in folks language.
Generally there are three Sorani subdialects : Hăwleri, Mukriyani and Ărdăĺani, which their degree of relation to Kurmanji dialect is respectively shown. Sorani dialect could be explained as containing Kurmanji grammer but Gorani ergativity and a vocabulary composed of both Kurmanji and Gorani words, also typical Sorani words. Sorani’s morphological development is progressing from east (as leader) to west and north. I can clearly remember by 1995 most of rustics of Măhabad could not understand “ăkăm” (I do). Like main body of Sorani dialect speakers they say “dăkăm” and “ăkăm” was fairly strange. But at present time they can understand “ăkăm” , tough still say “dăkăm”. Or in Săqqëz city they used to say both “dăkăm” (often) and “ăkăm” by same time. But now they often say “ăkăm”. In Snă city (not including its rural areas), atleast since 30-40 they say “ăkăm”. An important topic of morphological development in Gorani and Sorani (taken from Gorani) is to drop “d”. Tottaly all Kurdish dialects (Kurmanji, Gorani, Sorani, Krmanjki) have same tendency, but it’s so considerable in Gorani and Sorani. For example “păydă” (p. and p.p. find, clear) > “păyă”, “dă-“ (particular prefix attachs present tens verbs, ~ English ‘do, does’) > “ă”, “Kurdëstan” > “Kursan” (disappearance of ‘d’ and ‘t’; local people of Snă call it ), “zmëstan” > “zmsan” (“zstan” in other Sorani dialects which is derived from “zwëstan” from → “zvëstan” in Kurmanji which it self is derived from Old Kurdish “zmëstan” by changing ‘m’ into ‘v’ which is so common in Kurmanji and later Sorani dialects; e.g “nam” > “nav/w”, “şam” > “şav” > “şăv/w”, “dăm” > “dăv/w”, “cam, căm” > “cav/w”, “hamin” > “hav/win”, “-man” [an ancient suffix equal by English “-man, -woman” and “-er” in post-man or kill-er] > “-v/wan” in şăr-van, năcir-v/wan, probably –van in “caravan” has Kurdish root and later whole word)

As I mentioned above, Sorani and Krmanjki (which has appeared in the vice versa > influence of Gorani on Kurmanji speaking area) have their typical elements (especially in their vocabulary) which may has been disappeared in both Kurmanji and Gorani (as sources). For instance Sorani notăk and notă “dark, [occasionally] night” is remarkable, which is not found in other dialects.

Grammatically Ărdăĺani (especially that of Snă) is a bit different than other Sorani dialects :

Current Sorani Bu-wă (p.p to be) > Ărdăĺani Bu-gă
Current Sorani Krd-uwă (p.p. to do) > Ărdăĺani Krd-ëgă

An important topic of Kurdish development v/w > g. Ăvestan vărkă (wolf) > [gărkă] > [gorkă] > [gurkă] > Sorani gurg and Kurmanji gur but Krmanjki (so-called Zazaki) “vărg” and Swedish, Norwegian “varg”.
Current Sorani-Kurmanji-Gorani agër (fire) > Southern Sorani and Northern Gorani (Kamyrana, Juwanru and around Pawă) ăwër.
Current Sorani piyaw (man) > Ărdăĺani piyag and many other examples.

Another important difference between Ărdăĺani and other Sorani dialects is changing d and b into w in its sentences structure that its development has caused a remarkable ergativity : Sor. nă-t-bin-ëm > Ărdăĺani : nă-w-bin-ëm [as all none initial “aw” in informal Kurdish, Persian, etc chang into “ow“] > no-w-bin-ëm, Sor. dă-bar-et > Ărd. ă-war-et, etc.

The only important Turkish words existing in Ărdăĺani are : bayăqoş (owl), qoĺ (arm). Baĺ is pure Kurdish words meant arm and considerably is used. May bayăqoş is only Turkish word existing in Ărdăĺani subdialect which has many pure Kurdish alternatives
In other Kurdish dialects.

Ărdăĺani is a fair Kurdish subdialect. It incorrect to call it influenced by Persian or whatever if its current speakers in larg cities (Snă, Tehran) use some Persian words in favor of Kurdish. No doubt that there are several esencial Persian, Arabic and Jewish loanwords as every language human speaks is so. In initial poem which is composed in ninties, only three none-Kurdish words are found “ĥûrmăt” Arabic, “asar” Arabic and probably “dĺwapăs” Persian, which all have Kurdish alternatives as well : “heĵa, grameti”, “nişan”, “ngăran, bă trs”.


Turkish, a Language or a Dialect?

Languages known as Turkish (Osmali) and Azerbayjani (Azeri) are from same root and so close to each other. Oghuz Turks invaded Iran, Kurdistan and Anatolia (Eastern Greece) as heartless invaders. Since their settlement in Anatolia, Azerbayjan, Arran (so-called Azerbayjan Republic) Western Armenian, several parts of Kurdistan in several periods (cities of Mălăti, Qoniyă, Ăŕzërom, Qărs, Urmiya, Xoy, Năxădă, suburb of Kărkuk and south west of Musël) and flat pastures of Fars province of Iran, their languages have been changed. Turkic language are is basicly different from Indo-European (Aryan) and Semitic languages whence only accepts vocabulary affects from surrounding languages such as Arabic, Persian, Kurdish and Greek. There are as much loanwords in Turkish and Azerayjani as without them the language exactly would have no ability anymore! However its syntax still is Turkish. Also there are considerable esencial Turkish words of Iranian origin, such as “băyg” from Old Iranian “băĝ” God, Great. This word is found in many Turkish words : büyük, beyquş, beyg and bayram, the final which is composed of bay + ram, two Old Iranian words meant great + rest and in Turkish is meant “holyday, festival”. Also many other words and verbs like saymak “to coun” which comes from Old Iranian “sayaq” ‘to count tax’ and tohum “seed” that comes from Old Iranian “toxûmă”. These words have been entered Turkish before Turks invasion on Mid. East.

There are some Arabic, Persian and Kurdish which I collect in just 5 minuts! So you can imagine that how much of such words exist in Turkish :
From Arabic “Nisb”
Nispi > [Ar. nisbi] relative
Nispetçi > piteful (who related incorrect matters to s.m.o. els)
Nispeten > [Ar. Nisbătăn] compared to…
Nispet > [Ar. Nisbăt, Nisbă] ratio
Nisap > [Ar. Nisab] quorum
Nisai > [Ar. Nisai] gynecological

From Arabic “Nięmăt”
Nimetşinas > [Ar. Nięmăt + Persian / Kurdish Şenas/Şnas] grateful
Nimet > [Ar. Nięmăt] blessing

From Arabic “Nikah”
Nikahlanmak > to marry
Nikahlı > married
Nikahsız > unmarried

Nikbin > [Persian nik ‘good’ + bin ‘sight’] optimist
Nikbinlik > optimism

Diğer > [Persian digăr, Kurdish ‘dikă’] other

Her > [Kurdish/Persian hăr ‘every, each’] every, each

As I know no other language has as much loanwords as Turkish has, except other Turkic languages such as Uzbek and Uighur.

[Diri]

Beautiful... Absolutly beautiful!

Sipas birayê hêja... Em gellek fêrdibin bi postên te...

Bijî...

[missIndependent]

WOW kak Emanoel Natawaparwar, MASLALLAH

Her Bijî



Snă Şarăkăm! Ăwă Mn Ăŕom
Hărcăn Dĺwapăs Be Ĥûrmăti Tom
Xwărătawăkăy Lci Pasarëm
Ta La Keytăwă, Năma Asarëm

Sine is beautiful, are u Sineyî?
click, u gonna love it

[Diri]

Beautiful video Queen!


I loved it...

[missIndependent]

my pleasure sweetness, im glad you liked it
it's one of my favorite

[Diri]

my pleasure sweetness, im glad you liked it
it's one of my favorite

My father obviously likes that song... He made me play it a couple of times... When it stopped, he was like - "What happened to Hero Celalî?"


So I played it maybe 5 times...

[missIndependent]

My father obviously likes that song... He made me play it a couple of times... When it stopped, he was like - "What happened to Hero Celalî?"


So I played it maybe 5 times...

awwwww, so, your father's must be reall cool

but who's "Hero Celalî"? im lost!
if you mean the singer, she is called "shehîn Talebanî"