One Comment - Turkey In Pictures

[Lovetobewithfriends]

no problem..i just wondered where i offended diri and his photographs o_O

i dont know,im sorry,how i didnt realise my mistake i need preview 2 times after wrote,sorry

[Diri]

Well - you had it coming... You PISSED ME OFF!!! You don't say anything about any of the other pictures - only come out of NOWHERE (when were you last active anyway? ) and tell me that this IDIOT called ZURDERER - who is the guy insisting that "Kurds and Turks came to Anatolia together" - and that Kurds had never been around before that time - and you tell me that "I TOTALLY AGREE WITH ZURDERER" - GOD WHAT WERE YOU THINKING?

So naturally I was pissed... And I still am pissed... Û dibît ewelen TU qedrê MIN bigrî - look at your initial post on this thread - where you tell me to "man, you really need to get off the crack or whatever you use." - How damn rude isn't that? I mean I have nothing against you - and then you suddenly make personal attacks... YOU are the one who should step up and appologise...

I have nothing against you or anybody else here... But when you act RUDE in the first place - don't pretend like nothing happened...

I was most pissed because of that rude remark - and also because you said you "totally agree with Zurderer" - and if you read his remarks (I doubt you have) - you'll have to tell me again that you "totally agree with Zurderer" - because I stand by what I said: agreeing with shit, makes you shit... Maybe you should scroll back and read what he actually has said - and see if you agree with every little thing he said...

Rêke bo te vekiriye - eger bixwazî gel min ser vê babetê biaxiwî, fermû... Eger tu dixwazî bêjî "get of that crack man" - ez jî naxwazim gel te biaxiwim...

Supas...

Bi rêz...

Ok, I see you are now discussing somewhat better. What I wanted to say is that you are acting like Islam is an attack. You seem to have an aversion on islam, but you have to know that you have to respect people's beliefs. Of course, it's up to you if you are unreligious, but at least be aware there are peoples (many kurds) that are Muslim.
I totally agree with zurderer in this topic, if he said that Kurds and Turks came together to Anatolia, then he can kiss my ass too! But I think he is a bit right on your accusations. Mescids are found in many places in Turkey, near many places there are certain areas for praying. Islamic countries are not like Europe my friend.

You just started at the wrong end of the stick "Kurd"... I am a very good muslim who prays when he has time and fasts in Remezan and who loves God more than anything else on earth... Since I already know this about myself... And I am not unsure about my beliefs - It was very nice to see LoveToBeWithFriends to see and understand my point!

And his words are like music... So his reply - is the same reply I would have given you - but I must be fair and give my brother LoveToBeWithFriends the credit he deserves:

Lovetobewithfriends Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 11:09 am Post subject:

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Kurd,bro,Turkey to be prood of being so democratic and laicist(even against islam) if it wants and Turkey be a fanatic islamist if they want.That is what Diri wants to show this is stupid and unacceptable and Diri want to show that else we are not discussing islam.Just pointing crazy Turks.We are honoured being from Selahaddin's ancestry.

Everyone will be happy a good non Arabic or non Turkish style islam and everyone should respect every religion in Kurdistan.Islam is in our culture.And not bad thing,everyone is free for choosing their belief.But honestly,i dont like Islam in Turkey or in middle-east and i know lots of muslim country even made war,when we discuss Turkey under islam name is this a sin or crime?

We believe in Islam,it doesnt mean we cant discuss Turkey's state.I hope same things wont be in Southern Kurdistan because it is not nice.There is lots of good Kurds believe in Islam,i am proud of that,this are not same things.How many times this topic needed to be discussed??How many times countries believe in Islam fought each other and when was the last?talking about just a stupid war,not for a free country.Kurds care religion,i hope there will be respect for all Kurds and religions in Kurdistan and there will be nice,clever,humanist... Kurds believe in Islam.But things are not same,Kurd we are discussing Kurds,Kurdistan in fact
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Supas birayê hêja bo gotinên te! Dest xosh LoveToBeWithFriends...



@"Kurd"

You shouldn't make attacks based on what you THINK a person is saying... It is better to ask what he/she realy intends... Before you attack...

Supas...

Bi rêz

[Lovetobewithfriends]

Thank you,Diri.I just dont like prejudice between our brothers.It is clear what you want to point.It is prejudice why he doesnt want to see.I will be honoured if i can help anytime i see you are discussing.Thank you very much again i am just really happy if i can give an idea to my bro .

[Diri]

Thank you,Diri.I just dont like prejudice between our brothers.It is clear what you want to point.It is prejudice why he doesnt want to see.I will be honoured if i can help anytime i see you are discussing.Thank you very much again i am just really happy if i can give an idea to my bro .

Yes - you are right... We must stand together against our enemies... We are brothers and should not have to make eachother small just to please the enemy!

And I am honoured for your help birayê ezîz!

I am glad that it is not only me who thinks the point is clear... Supas... Gercekten cok sevindim, canim kardesim!

[Lovetobewithfriends]

Thank you,Diri.I just dont like prejudice between our brothers.It is clear what you want to point.It is prejudice why he doesnt want to see.I will be honoured if i can help anytime i see you are discussing.Thank you very much again i am just really happy if i can give an idea to my bro .

Yes - you are right... We must stand together against our enemies... We are brothers and should not have to make eachother small just to please the enemy!

And I am honoured for your help birayê ezîz!

I am glad that it is not only me who thinks the point is clear... Supas... Gercekten cok sevindim, canim kardesim!

Nothing more to add,thanks for your nice words bro .At least Kurds' mentality is going better day by day,soemthings raising day by day .And not just you and me,i think there is lots of people like us.And this is what should be,nothing strange,bro .Nice to see you are happy because of my ideas.When the day came Kurds did enought for their case,we will all be really happy as i guess i am happy when i wrote my ideas or did anything for my nation but i felt a shame a bit,i didnt do anything to congrulate too much,brobut anyways thanks,if helped you with my ideas,this is my duty,i dont read to show off

[Lovetobewithfriends]

Thank you,Diri.I just dont like prejudice between our brothers.It is clear what you want to point.It is prejudice why he doesnt want to see.I will be honoured if i can help anytime i see you are discussing.Thank you very much again i am just really happy if i can give an idea to my bro .

Yes - you are right... We must stand together against our enemies... We are brothers and should not have to make eachother small just to please the enemy!

And I am honoured for your help birayê ezîz!

I am glad that it is not only me who thinks the point is clear... Supas... Gercekten cok sevindim, canim kardesim!

Nothing more to add,thanks for your nice words bro .At least Kurds' mentality is going better day by day,somethings raising day by day .And not just you and me,i think there is lots of people like us.And this is what should be,nothing strange,bro .Nice to see you are happy because of my ideas.When the day came Kurds did enought for their case,we all will be really happy as i guess i am happy when i wrote my ideas or did anything for my nation but i felt a shame a bit,i didnt do anything to congrulate too much,bro but anyways thanks,if helped you with my ideas,this is my duty,i dont read to show off

[Kurd]

Ok Diri, it's good we have solved this.
Now is zurderer a Turk or not?

[Diri]

So you accept you were wrong to attack me with "get off the crack or whatever you are on"?

Because if you were worried I was attacking Islam, then you are wrong... I am a Muslim myself - I see no reason to attack my own religion - or any other religion for that matter...

Zurderer is a Turk... And he claims Kurds never had anything to do in Anatolia - untill the Turks were so generous and brought us to it..

Zurderer is a nationalist/fascist Turk - who would like to see Kurds in West Turkey - be moved to North Kurdistan - where they are originally from...

That is the only thing I agree with him on... That Turkey should re-build all the thousands of houses it destroyed in North Kurdistan and repatriate the Kurds in Istanbul/Ankara/Izmir/Adana etc. back to their ancestral lands...

But of course - Turkey must compensate everything they (the army - with the blessing of the government and generals) have destroyed...

[zurderer]

I am a Muslim myself - I see no reason to attack my own religion -

So noone can say, You did not learn anything from kemalists, These are the words used them just before attacking muslims and islam.

Zurderer is a Turk... And he claims Kurds never had anything to do in Anatolia - untill the Turks were so generous and brought us to it..

Infact I said, kurds have nothing most of northern kurdistan, like agrı, van or kars ext. Kurdish villages have armenian church, not otherway.

Without turks, you wont call van as northern kurdistan.is this wrong? you should thanks ottoman and turks. Infact even Mustafa Kemal himself, without him, agrı and van would become western armenia.

Zurderer is a nationalist/fascist Turk - who would like to see Kurds in West Turkey - be moved to North Kurdistan - where they are originally from...

I said, I accept independence of kurdistan, If kurds leave turkish cities and go to their homelands and you supported me. so If I am a racist who want to harm kurds, what are you? you supported me.

Plus I dont know why should I accused, after independence of kurdistan, I dont know why should we accept kurdish minority and pkk problems.

what do you think? do you think we should give independence to kurdish cities and should accept 4 million kurd at istanbul?

That Turkey should re-build all the thousands of houses it destroyed in North Kurdistan and repatriate the Kurds in Istanbul/Ankara/Izmir/Adana etc. back to their ancestral lands...

what about repatriating armenians? and giving them city of van and agrı, after all They suffered and lost more than kurds, oh wait you call that cities as kurdistan.

what about compensation harms done by kurdish terrorism(PKK)?

[zurderer]

Let's see who is "stupid"... Here are some more pictures from the same METRO station:

So you are stupid, I said that is mosque inside of Metro station, so It is.

And I dont care how many more stupid picture you show, I prayed at that mosque a lot. So I know what I am talking, It looks like when you are looking for your propoganda, you missed a mosque.

At friday praying, You can see a lot mosque like this. People pray out side of mosque, because there is not enough place inside of mosque.

TURKEY IS ISLAMIZING - the Prime Minister is an Islamist - and that reflects the wish of the people too: ISLAMISM IS GROWING...

and this one guy was caught taking pictures - and they firmly told him to "NOT TAKE PICTURES OF THEM" - because as a state-institution, the police has the assignment to protect Turkeys image in the world by not letting people see "bad things" (in accordance with Turkish Kemalist ideology) from Turkey...

LOL praying muslims? I didnot see worse thing than that scene

So if the world sees pictures of Turks sitting praying in the Central Metro Station:

They will kill us? As I said you before, at friday you can see a lot mosque like this, people pray not only at metro but also at streets. Maybe Instead of taking their pictures, you should enter once a mosque and learn why are they praying at outside of mosques.

By the way, where is imam at that picture? let me say, inside of mosque.

what i hate more than a kurd-hating turk is a turk pretending he's a kurd.....

dont afraid, you wont find much turk like this.

Well - I am not much of a tourist either... But I have relatives in Ankara and Istanbul... So I visite them now and then...

Lets hope They return diyarbakır(their homeland) with you.

Building a mosque is more important than building school.

Realy? so there is not even enough mosque for friday praying? that is why people pray outside of mosques. It is interesting, building mosque is so much important but there is not enough mosque.

I am against accusing a Kurd in this way.

So clanish. I wont care If someone is kurdish or turkish,If he deserves, I will accuse him. "He is kurd so dont accuse him" is not realy a good argument. Infact stupid one I ever saw.

Just pointing crazy Turks.

Crazy turk? haha. You are realy funny.

Firstly my friend, they are people from Turkey not Turk. So They can be also kurds. Secondly I am sure mosques at Diyarbakır is full of kurds too. Maybe you should stop to call them as turks.

Secondly crazy?? You are crazy. They are just praying stupid, they are not attacking or killing anybody. So you think, friday praying is for crazy turks.

It is so sad, you have more crazy kurd than crazy turks. Wait a little, you want to attack turks, so this praying kurds are not kurds, but crazy kurds.

Funny.

We are honoured being from Selahaddin's ancestry.

And I am sure Selahaddin didnot missed any friday praying. So that guy is another crazy turk.

I am a very good muslim who prays when he has time and fasts in Remezan and who loves God more than anything else on earth...

Bla, Bla, Always same terane.

I am good muslim, Infact better than you ext. You are trying to show friday praying as something bad, and you say you pray? Are you an islamist?

By The way, I am sure you didnot attend any friday praying, If you attended you would understand why people pray at outside of mosque, Infact If you attend most probably you would pray outside of mosque too.

You learnt our turkish anti-islam guys much. Turkified kurdish laisist?

[Lovetobewithfriends]

Infact I said, kurds have nothing most of northern kurdistan, like agrı, van or kars ext. Kurdish villages have armenian church, not otherway.

Without turks, you wont call van as northern kurdistan.is this wrong? you should thanks ottoman and turks. Infact even Mustafa Kemal himself, without him, agrı and van would become western armenia.

Of course,Kurds' land is not at same size for centuries.Because of some Ottomans you hate because they were good at Kurds,we have larger region,they helped because they used Kurds as warriors good deal,isn't it?And we shouldnt thank Ottomans and Turks because of that.Do you hate all Ottomans because a few sultan was really good to us,because of good deals??If you hate all Ottomans and Turks because a few of them helped us and then we wont thank Ottoman and Turk we will love them,good deal???And Islamic attack mentality to west and Ottoman or Turks are obstacle for free Kurdistan centuries.But thanks to Sultans who be really honest and good to Kurds;hates to Sultans who seperates Kurds,seperates big Kurdish tribes,obstacle Kurdish unity,Kurdish people,uses as they want....

Churchs or any other thing you say there is lots of different people in Kurdistan,not everyone were Kurds ,different people different beliefs,some Armenians were in Kurdistan and some Kurds still are in Armenia.Some try to say Kurds did Armenia genocide and indirectly you try to say Kurds had greater lands by Armenia Genocide.Kurds try to be independent for 2 centuries and Turks say that.Yes,maybe some islamist Kurds helped Turks in independence war and Armenia suicide,they are blind and undeucated but i am sorry for Armenians,this is not smart.And Armenians should take back cities they have before Armenia genocide if they want but it is about Turkey and Armenians.Because this place is Turkey politically.So what is the conection of that with Kurds.You did all for giving land to Turks.

I said, I accept independence of kurdistan, If kurds leave turkish cities and go to their homelands and you supported me. so If I am a racist who want to harm kurds, what are you? you supported me.

Plus I dont know why should I accused, after independence of kurdistan, I dont know why should we accept kurdish minority and pkk problems.

what do you think? do you think we should give independence to kurdish cities and should accept 4 million kurd at istanbul?

This is just a dream because Turks dont accept Kurds' independence.Because who are in Turkish army Kurds,whose land in your map Kurdistan,whose land have border with Arabians and after giving independence to Kurds,Turks are afraid to lose their country.Turks are talking about genocide on Kurds try to threaten Kurds but in two days day realised they cant do that.Even Turks need Kurds in independence war,first 2 congress were in east,best generals,soldiers were Kurds.Maybe Turks are authority they are try to control and passive Kurds and they think they are better but even a Turkish army without its %40 kurdish people believe me wont be perfect.And Turkey with its great army and land wont be authority in middle-East,in east Mediterrian.And giving Kurds a free land just a bulshit to be humanist against people,dont believe it,zurderer.This is political advantage for Turkey in its position and wont be happen at least for now.If Turkey were rich and didnt have political problems and dont need a really big army.Maybe,but Turkey is back from producing anything,economically bad,need big army and in a position everytime problems can happen.

But do you have enought brain to understand all this i said at the above?


Even in islam if you are a passenger,you dont have to pray,a passenger in 600s can stop and pray for Allah.But you are defending praying in the streets,in the metro station in people's walk way.Is this normal?Dont this people do adultery or use people's rights.When we ask that this is anormal and when they pray in the streets or metro station this is normal.If they were perfect people like that why we cant show good effects of this belief in Turkey or for all islam flag??Why we cant pray when we are passengers,we can perfectly do that in bus,train,plane...And talking about mosques,be honest in Turkey kemalist turk or just a kurd,didnt lots of people say there is lots of mosques and they are building everyday but nobody built schools,if you say no i will find news about that at least it happened before Turkey was pro-islamist : P.But still there is people think like that,just become less because government is "warm islamist".Maybe there is not enought spaces in mosques for praying on Fridays but Turkey has much more bigger school problem generally kids dont have good conditions to study i just said that.Am i wrong??

So clanish. I wont care If someone is kurdish or turkish,If he deserves, I will accuse him. "He is kurd so dont accuse him" is not realy a good argument. Infact stupid one I ever saw.

I am in Turkey,i even had Turkish friends who say Kurds are really good honest people but i never heard a turk who try to be LOGICAL and HUMANIST against kurdish problem.And im not stupid to believe show girl show boys who say yes Kurds had problems we did bad things,they are just bulshits for known reasons.If we Kurds are bad for all Turks or for all people who live in Turkey,Kurd is wrong to accuse Diri by saying i am agreed with Zurderer.Who is zurderer? a good people for Kurds,just at last post accused Kurds for being in Turkish cities and what he gives just a dream Kurdistan should be independence,what a stupid people you are what independence you are talking about.And i think Diri and Kurd understood what i mean,im not stupid people i dont want to accuse my people with stupid words.But there is a good idea in Diri's work and he worked as you see,i dont believe he is anti-islam by doing that and i am not anti-islam by that.Diri's mind is good but pics are very exraordinary for Turkey so we used to see things like that.So maybe Kurd understood wrongly that is all.Still i believe Diri is right.

Crazy turk? haha. You are realy funny.

Firstly my friend, they are people from Turkey not Turk. So They can be also kurds. Secondly I am sure mosques at Diyarbakır is full of kurds too. Maybe you should stop to call them as turks.

Secondly crazy?? You are crazy. They are just praying stupid, they are not attacking or killing anybody. So you think, friday praying is for crazy turks.

It is so sad, you have more crazy kurd than crazy turks. Wait a little, you want to attack turks, so this praying kurds are not kurds, but crazy kurds.

Funny.

Yep,crazy turk as we see now you are trying to accuse me by being against islam and you accused me by being against praying for islam and you are crazy.But if you didnt like crazy Turk,i can use BARBARIAN Turk,maybe you can be honoured by the way,Barbarian Turk.I choosed wrong nickname.

Just ask you a question,because it is clear you didnt understand what we mean you understood as we are antiislam and just you are so angry with us,you are in great pain because you think i said bad things for your religion,you big joker .****Yes,i believe in Allah,i believe Allah's power and greatness.But i am against mixing being Kurd and believing in Islam this are very seperate things and in This position if some of 2 need to be previous being Kurd should be......****So is Turkey an islamist country or kemalist laicist country,this pics are different from Antalya,Bodrum,isnt it?What problem what confussions in the country or this are normal??

[zurderer]

Of course,Kurds' land is not at same size for centuries.Because of some Ottomans you hate because they were good at Kurds,we have larger region,they helped because they used Kurds as warriors good deal,isn't it?

who said I hate from ottomans? why should I hate them? Because they treated kurd good?

why do you think, I hate someone If he treat kurds good?

And Armenians should take back cities they have before Armenia genocide if they want but it is about Turkey and Armenians.Because this place is Turkey politically.So what is the conection of that with Kurds.You did all for giving land to Turks.

dont you call that land kurdistan? so Turkey have right to give van to armenians?

This is just a dream because Turks dont accept Kurds' independence

Well Infact I know some turks who think different, We are begining to change our ideas. We are not gaining anything at that damned lands.(Just headache)

Even Turks need Kurds in independence war,first 2 congress were in east,best generals,soldiers were Kurds.

who were they? I didnot know Kazım Karabekir is kurdish.

By the way, sivas and erzurum is turkish cities.. True first 2 congresses were made at east, but not at diyarbakır, bitlis or hakkari.

but even a Turkish army without its %40 kurdish people believe me wont be perfect.

Even now, There is not 40% kurdish and we both know, kurdish population is more increased with compared to turkish one.

And giving Kurds a free land just a bulshit to be humanist against people,dont believe it,zurderer.

It is impossible for short time, maybe I will happen long term. You cannot occupy a nation forever.

you are defending praying in the streets,in the metro station in people's walk way.

I am defending that If people pray out side of mosque(because there is not enough place inside of mosque), It is not a guilt. They are not radical islamist, but they are people who cannot find place inside of mosque.

they were perfect people like that why we cant show good effects of this belief in Turkey or for all islam flag??

I am not angry because he showed this pictures, I am angry because he showed this picture as something bad. He is trying to say these people are fanatics ext.

Infact these people are far from becoming fanatics, They came mosque later than others(Generally dont attend all prayer), and so they have to pray out side of mosque. It is absurd to show them as religious people.

And talking about mosques,be honest in Turkey kemalist turk or just a kurd,didnt lots of people say there is lots of mosques and they are building everyday but nobody built schools,if you say no i will find news about that at least it happened before Turkey was pro-islamist : P

we have more than enough(or we have a lot) mosque is a lie, as you see, There is not enough mosque for people. you are against to built new mosques(we should built schools), and you are against that people praying out side of mosques. So basically you say, dont pray.

there is not enought spaces in mosques for praying on Fridays but Turkey has much more bigger school problem generally kids dont have good conditions to study i just said that.Am i wrong??

So people(state) should built schools too.

If you realy need money for schools, you can find them from kahvehanes and bars. They are much more than mosques.

Or we should fund school with mosque moneys? I dont see any correlation between school building and mosque building.

I am in Turkey,i even had Turkish friends who say Kurds are really good honest people but i never heard a turk who try to be LOGICAL and HUMANIST against kurdish problem.

True, Turkish society is ultra-nationalist.

we Kurds are bad for all Turks or for all people who live in Turkey,Kurd is wrong to accuse Diri by saying i am agreed with Zurderer.

So If I say, we have a moon at sky, and If diri say there is two moon at sky, kurdish people should say that we are agree with diri, there is two moon at sky.

I dont know, how nationality effect discussion, Even If all turks were as bad as nazis, this should not effect any discussion.

just at last post accused Kurds for being in Turkish cities

accused? absolutely not. I stated. It is not a guilt to become poor.

But there is a good idea in Diri's work and he worked as you see

There is a good idea in diri's work(attack to turkey), but there is not honesty at diri's work.

Infact there is stupidy at diri work(Attacking somepeople who pray, instead of turk)

Yep,crazy turk as we see now you are trying to accuse me by being against islam and you accused me by being against praying for islam and you are crazy.

Not to you, but diri.Remember he showed praying people as bad example. So basically he is against to praying.

,i can use BARBARIAN Turk

so what about prying kurds? are they barbarian turk too?

Just ask you a question,because it is clear you didnt understand what we mean you understood as we are antiislam and just you are so angry with us,you are in great pain because you think i said bad things for your religion,

If he is against to turkey, so attack turkey. Not some people who have to pray out side of mosque, because there is not place inside of mosque.

Or some women who use headscarf.

what they are doing is not bad, and they should not be seen as bad example.

But i am against mixing being Kurd and believing in Islam this are very seperate things and in This position if some of 2 need to be previous being Kurd should be......****

what type of belief is this? Personally my care for turkishness is not much. compared with my religion, It is zero.

So is Turkey an islamist country or kemalist laicist country,this pics are different from Antalya,Bodrum,isnt it?

Infact Ankara is not a religious city, Diri should take his pictures from istanbul and konya.do you realy think, I am defending laicist turkey?

I am defending people who pray, unfortunately you guys have not enough brain to see difference between some people pray, and turkey. Infact you are talking like a ultra-nationalist-kemalist, only difference is you are kurd.(not an important difference for me)

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[freedom+unity]

i can't stand muslims, i am not rascist or against anyone, but muslims really are made out of crap.
join USA on the destruction of islam.


[Edit: Please respect other people as you would like them to respect you. Generalizing like this is very unfair.]

[Kae Man]

u just contradicted yourself, and btw you should really have respect for every religion.

[freedom+unity]

muslims have no place in kurdistan.
only idiots will allow such a religion.


[Edit: Please put an end to your generalization and your bad language. Would you like it if people said "Only idiots will not believe in Islam"? I know I wouldn't like that... So please don't attack others faith. Everybody is free to believe what they like to.]