Kurds are Fathers of Iran

[Ariobarzan]

Kurds are Fathers of Iran.

Do not abonden your sons and daughters.


I have posted this in a couple of forums , but with much respect to everyone's opinions here I must post it here as well.


I am a Kurd from Sanandaj on my father's side. In blood we are Iranic : many genetic research has proven this I will provide when needed.

In culture we are Iranic : we celebrate the same exact new year, chaharshanbeh soori, seezdeh bedar ..... you name it.

In language we are the same...... What else is there??????????? ok

In history we are the same : Aryans who divided into Persians and Medes (the LUR, the KURD, the AZARI) now in this one I agree we had an influence prior to the Medes settlement but we overwhelmingly became and are Medes. So for crying out loud how could people be against a federal system including Kurdistan, Persia, Tajikistan, North Afghanistan, ... with our own blood and brothers.

Why don't we think about getting our land back maybe even with the help of a future Iranian regime from the Turk and the Arab and join a ferderalist power of nations of Iranian origin.

I even read in this site here that some Kurds rather be with Arabs and Turks than our own brothers the Iranis????? WHAT????????? education is not a bad thing.

The oppression the kurds including my dad and his dad may have suffered under Persians should not be cause for hatred and anomousity to blind us from historic and scientific realities. Iranians at this point in time are learning (as we should be) that Kurd and Pars and Tajik and AZeri are all Iranic people and now they would even look for our leadership to create such a super federal state. What do we have in common with the arab or the turk????? NOTHING.

Iranians know and cherrish the idea that Kurds are Iranian just look at all Iranian sites even the PanIranic ones. What does the Turk or the Arab think about the Kurds??? I am not talking about governments so don't come back with the predictable nonesense that .. oh but all three have been oppressing us ..blah blah BLAH. we all know that politics are very different than the feelings which run deep in people's blood and brains, and the fact is eventually these feelings will shape the final picture of the region and these feelings in the Iranian is specially NOW of love and brotherhood.

You ask any Iranian ANYWHERE from Tehran to California to a Baluch village, they have nothing but respect and love, and KINSHIP toward Kurds. Ask the Arab??? what kind of response do you get?? believe me I know , I have had conversations with them about kurds when they thought I am an American with no relation to that region (I look it) and they have called us (kurds) dirty Iranians, dirty Kurds, dirty ajams. I don't have to tell you about the Turks.

They don't want us, Iranians do. But thats not the only reason we shall support an Iranic powerful federal state (not the current Iran ofcourse) just because they want us, we are not orphans in search of a home, we have a home, we are a proud nation but weather we like it or not we are part of the Aryan nation.

This is as I itemized in the beginning of this post a scientific, historical, cultural and...... FACT. we could be the leaders of a United Satraps of Iran (I have a patent on this so pleeease) in a federal system where we will have autonomy as well. The biggest Persian nationalists such as people like Fouladvand (he has a program on Iranian sattelite, an anti-Islamist Persian nationalist) calls us the fathers of Iran. He is a Persian nationalist of the IMPERIAL type by the way AND he calls us what we really are, the fathers of Iran. Not enough???? get a load of this:

Many have estimated the birth of Zarathushtra in the eastern Iranian regions when infact I am here with proof and many years of my friend's research that Zarathushtra the man who is the spiritual father of all Iranic people was born in Kurdistan. Adding yet another historical tie and fact that Kurds have to change their views and cherish their true history which binds us undoubtedly to Iran.

Lets study the names and the language for a little bit. After all many historical facts are found by language and name studies. (years of studying the Avesta and all Kurdish languages and regions in person has produced these facts.)

Zarra- thau -vashtrra . Zarra is Noor in Kurdish (light). Thau or varthau is aftab (sunshine). vashtrau or washthrau means baarandegi in ahorami and jaafi (both Kurdish) : Zarrathaushtra : the one who poured light and sunshine: Vaghty Zartosht amaad donya noor baran shod. OOn kasi keh ba amadanash donya ra noor baran kard. the one who pours lightness and sunshine.

His birthplace according to the research and study of avesta and other scriptures and traveling is according to my friend and my research is in Horomaan region. Horaaman is actually Ahurraman. Ahorraman or Ahurraman or Horramaan is khanevadeh-ee keh Ahura ra parastesh meekonanad. Horra (ahura) maan (khanevadeh). khaandan e Ahurra. The Kin which follows ahurra, the kin of ahurra.

Ahurra. A in Kurdish means : is (hast) hurr or hurra means baalaa or on top or above . Ahurra : that which is above us. Ahura Mazda : Mazda : Mzd, mezd, mazd means Hagh ( fars say mozd for hoghoogh) Ahura Mazda in kurdish : the one from above who is Just.

There are to this very DAY many in Kurdestan who pilgrimage to a site in a mountain between Paweh and Nowsood (in border with Iraq) near the Sirvan roodkhaneh . This is believed to be the site of his araamgaah. There is a mountain nearby, guess what its name is : Atashgaah. There is a village near Atashgaah which is named Zar-derya or Zardya, in Avesta there is a village named in a Gata by the name of "Zardia" , there is another location in Avesta which is claimed to be Zarathushthrau's birthplace in Avesta its called "Zayte" , guess what ???? there is a village near Atashgaah mountain , and not far from where people make their pilgrimage and not far from Zardia by the name of Zaiteh or Zaiteh or : dar oon Zayeedeh shodeh: in there he was born. All just accidental?? I think not.


This proves further how intertwined and real our history and that of our blood brothers the Persians , the Lurs, the Tajiks are. There is no denying that and as Fathers of Iran we will be abondening our sons and daughters if we deny our kin to IRAN.


Lets not let emotions blind us from our origins and historical facts.


ArioBarzan

[Diri]

I would say "Bi xêr hatî bira" - but I am ashamed on your behalf that you are a MONARCHIST!!!

[Ariobarzan]

where did all this monarchist business came from. read the post where does it say that I even remotely support monarchism. Screw Monarchy. but screw blind labelling also when you have nothing else to say.

If we as Kurds have the same history, language, kinship, and forefathers / founders as persians then lets just ignore all that and label whoever mentions it as a possible means of creating a powerful federal entity, lets just ignore all these facts and call whoever mentions it monarchist. lol

actually I have seen both you and kurdish nationalist last week in Germany. I saw both of you , didn't think I would recognize you right??? you both were in Koln Germany yelling at my cousin because he said Kurds are Medes. You were both holding banners that said an Islamist Kurdistan. You are both Islamo-Facsists........ let everyone know. how is this ?

[womanizer]

Diri,I agree with you.
I dontt think this guy actually is Kurdish at all. I seen in a lot forums , some Turks and persian also been doing this in other forum , caliming they kurds and then denying kurds and calling kurds teratorse, terrorist, we kurds prpoud turkey, ..proud iran..blah balh..
this peoples who doing propanda with Kurdish mask are germs ,they are cheapest humans in whole planet. shame yourselves!!
This dude Ariobarzan ,paranoia of iran, keep your hindo to yourslf, kurds are no indo-iranian.
kurds are Indo-European. so keep this so called Iranian paranoia to yourslf.
we are daddy of our own, it may however when nuah ship landed in kurdistan , all world is our children, but is time we take care ourselves, let our children(killers, fascist, racist, oppressors) take care of themselves,
our land medya(Kurdistan) is higher than any land any name you can think.so keep our Iranin curry for yourslf.

[Parsi]

Diri,I agree with you.
I dontt think this guy actually is Kurdish at all. I seen in a lot forums , some Turks and persian also been doing this in other forum , caliming they kurds and then denying kurds and calling kurds teratorse, terrorist, we kurds prpoud turkey, ..proud iran..blah balh..
this peoples who doing propanda with Kurdish mask are germs ,they are cheapest humans in whole planet. shame yourselves!!
This dude Ariobarzan ,paranoia of iran, keep your hindo to yourslf, kurds are no indo-iranian.
kurds are Indo-European. so keep this so called Iranian paranoia to yourslf.
we are daddy of our own, it may however when nuah ship landed in kurdistan , all world is our children, but is time we take care ourselves, let our children(killers, fascist, racist, oppressors) take care of themselves,
our land medya(Kurdistan) is higher than any land any name you can think.so keep our Iranin curry for yourslf.

There is no reason to lash out and offend proud Iranians, like myself, just because you don't like this guy

Hindu? Curry? WTF? Go learn some geography. Those are found in India.

And Kurdish, like Parsi, is a branch of Indo-Iranian languages other wise known as Aryan, and Indo-Iranian is a branch of Indo-European languages. Go educate yourself before you start lashing out at Iranians with your arrogant words.

[womanizer]

Parsi Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 11:32 am Post subject:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

womanizer wrote:
Diri,I agree with you.
I dontt think this guy actually is Kurdish at all. I seen in a lot forums , some Turks and persian also been doing this in other forum , caliming they kurds and then denying kurds and calling kurds teratorse, terrorist, we kurds prpoud turkey, ..proud iran..blah balh..
this peoples who doing propanda with Kurdish mask are germs ,they are cheapest humans in whole planet. shame yourselves!!
This dude Ariobarzan ,paranoia of iran, keep your hindo to yourslf, kurds are no indo-iranian.
kurds are Indo-European. so keep this so called Iranian paranoia to yourslf.
we are daddy of our own, it may however when nuah ship landed in kurdistan , all world is our children, but is time we take care ourselves, let our children(killers, fascist, racist, oppressors) take care of themselves,
our land medya(Kurdistan) is higher than any land any name you can think.so keep our Iranin curry for yourslf.


There is no reason to lash out and offend proud Iranians, like myself, just because you don't like this guy

Hindu? Curry? WTF? Go learn some geography. Those are found in India.

And Kurdish, like Parsi, is a branch of Indo-Iranian languages other wise known as Aryan, and Indo-Iranian is a branch of Indo-European languages. Go educate yourself before you start lashing out at Iranians with your arrogant words

Dude!! You using swearing !! did I heart you imaginary iran shit. what your Iranian fantasying about ??
for years history and culture of great nation has been hijacked, , I can see from many perspective to to your denail system have adopted in many education, history books as indo-Iranian. The definition of iran is itslf is wrong there is no such thing as Kurdish indo-Iranian branch I am fully awarewhere wiki, and history which been monopolized for centuries, therefore Kurds are indo-European, there is no such thing as Iran, however when Persian they come from north Asia some where they belive near ural seas in kazakistan , then they mixed with culture of European(the kurds), Indian , toranian and etc…, today your language have adopted a lot Kurdish word, but still smell India .
the first governing body was in place was median before Persian invasion and thanks to Kurds you learn how to civilize.
so keep it yourself and I suggest your should educated yourself. Your little paranoia of iranic is just fantasy, is just matter of time before turn to pieces. and if you don’t like it join your hindo community , this place is issue and matters which concern to kurds.
So basically as I said you should proud your curry!! Don’t mix Kurdish nation with Persian(masked so called irano).

[Parsi]

Parsi Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 11:32 am Post subject:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

womanizer wrote:
Diri,I agree with you.
I dontt think this guy actually is Kurdish at all. I seen in a lot forums , some Turks and persian also been doing this in other forum , caliming they kurds and then denying kurds and calling kurds teratorse, terrorist, we kurds prpoud turkey, ..proud iran..blah balh..
this peoples who doing propanda with Kurdish mask are germs ,they are cheapest humans in whole planet. shame yourselves!!
This dude Ariobarzan ,paranoia of iran, keep your hindo to yourslf, kurds are no indo-iranian.
kurds are Indo-European. so keep this so called Iranian paranoia to yourslf.
we are daddy of our own, it may however when nuah ship landed in kurdistan , all world is our children, but is time we take care ourselves, let our children(killers, fascist, racist, oppressors) take care of themselves,
our land medya(Kurdistan) is higher than any land any name you can think.so keep our Iranin curry for yourslf.


There is no reason to lash out and offend proud Iranians, like myself, just because you don't like this guy

Hindu? Curry? WTF? Go learn some geography. Those are found in India.

And Kurdish, like Parsi, is a branch of Indo-Iranian languages other wise known as Aryan, and Indo-Iranian is a branch of Indo-European languages. Go educate yourself before you start lashing out at Iranians with your arrogant words

Dude!! You using swearing !! did I heart you imaginary iran shit. what your Iranian fantasying about ??
for years history and culture of great nation has been hijacked, , I can see from many perspective to to your denail system have adopted in many education, history books as indo-Iranian. The definition of iran is itslf is wrong there is no such thing as Kurdish indo-Iranian branch I am fully awarewhere wiki, and history which been monopolized for centuries, therefore Kurds are indo-European, there is no such thing as Iran, however when Persian they come from north Asia some where they belive near ural seas in kazakistan , then they mixed with culture of European(the kurds), Indian , toranian and etc…, today your language have adopted a lot Kurdish word, but still smell India .
the first governing body was in place was median before Persian invasion and thanks to Kurds you learn how to civilize.
so keep it yourself and I suggest your should educated yourself. Your little paranoia of iranic is just fantasy, is just matter of time before turn to pieces. and if you don’t like it join your hindo community , this place is issue and matters which concern to kurds.
So basically as I said you should proud your curry!! Don’t mix Kurdish nation with Persian(masked so called irano).

BEHOLD! THE GREAT HISTORIAN LABELED AS WOMANIZER HAS SPOKEN

No historian would agree with what you just said. Indians are from Mughal blood, Iranians are not related to them. And I'm not Persian. If you read my introduction you would know where I'm from. But you don't seem like the welcoming party type.

Your racism towards Persians and other Iranians is very evident. The Iranian people, not the government, are one of the few people that feel close to the Kurds because of their long history with them. And Iran does concern the Kurds, seeing how they live in the country.

Medes and Persians were from the same stock. They migrated south from central Asia together, oh great historian. The Medes mixed with Hurrains while the Persians mixed with Elamites. The Medes laid the foundation of the first Iranian empire, while the Persians established and expanded it even further.

You're racist, arrogant, and not worth my time. You should meet a member called "cazyun" on the pan-iranist site. You would get along great

[Parsi]

Kurds are Fathers of Iran.

Do not abonden your sons and daughters.


I have posted this in a couple of forums , but with much respect to everyone's opinions here I must post it here as well.


I am a Kurd from Sanandaj on my father's side. In blood we are Iranic : many genetic research has proven this I will provide when needed.

In culture we are Iranic : we celebrate the same exact new year, chaharshanbeh soori, seezdeh bedar ..... you name it.

In language we are the same...... What else is there??????????? ok

In history we are the same : Aryans who divided into Persians and Medes (the LUR, the KURD, the AZARI) now in this one I agree we had an influence prior to the Medes settlement but we overwhelmingly became and are Medes. So for crying out loud how could people be against a federal system including Kurdistan, Persia, Tajikistan, North Afghanistan, ... with our own blood and brothers.

Why don't we think about getting our land back maybe even with the help of a future Iranian regime from the Turk and the Arab and join a ferderalist power of nations of Iranian origin.

I even read in this site here that some Kurds rather be with Arabs and Turks than our own brothers the Iranis????? WHAT????????? education is not a bad thing.

The oppression the kurds including my dad and his dad may have suffered under Persians should not be cause for hatred and anomousity to blind us from historic and scientific realities. Iranians at this point in time are learning (as we should be) that Kurd and Pars and Tajik and AZeri are all Iranic people and now they would even look for our leadership to create such a super federal state. What do we have in common with the arab or the turk????? NOTHING.

Iranians know and cherrish the idea that Kurds are Iranian just look at all Iranian sites even the PanIranic ones. What does the Turk or the Arab think about the Kurds??? I am not talking about governments so don't come back with the predictable nonesense that .. oh but all three have been oppressing us ..blah blah BLAH. we all know that politics are very different than the feelings which run deep in people's blood and brains, and the fact is eventually these feelings will shape the final picture of the region and these feelings in the Iranian is specially NOW of love and brotherhood.

You ask any Iranian ANYWHERE from Tehran to California to a Baluch village, they have nothing but respect and love, and KINSHIP toward Kurds. Ask the Arab??? what kind of response do you get?? believe me I know , I have had conversations with them about kurds when they thought I am an American with no relation to that region (I look it) and they have called us (kurds) dirty Iranians, dirty Kurds, dirty ajams. I don't have to tell you about the Turks.

They don't want us, Iranians do. But thats not the only reason we shall support an Iranic powerful federal state (not the current Iran ofcourse) just because they want us, we are not orphans in search of a home, we have a home, we are a proud nation but weather we like it or not we are part of the Aryan nation.

This is as I itemized in the beginning of this post a scientific, historical, cultural and...... FACT. we could be the leaders of a United Satraps of Iran (I have a patent on this so pleeease) in a federal system where we will have autonomy as well. The biggest Persian nationalists such as people like Fouladvand (he has a program on Iranian sattelite, an anti-Islamist Persian nationalist) calls us the fathers of Iran. He is a Persian nationalist of the IMPERIAL type by the way AND he calls us what we really are, the fathers of Iran. Not enough???? get a load of this:

Many have estimated the birth of Zarathushtra in the eastern Iranian regions when infact I am here with proof and many years of my friend's research that Zarathushtra the man who is the spiritual father of all Iranic people was born in Kurdistan. Adding yet another historical tie and fact that Kurds have to change their views and cherish their true history which binds us undoubtedly to Iran.

Lets study the names and the language for a little bit. After all many historical facts are found by language and name studies. (years of studying the Avesta and all Kurdish languages and regions in person has produced these facts.)

Zarra- thau -vashtrra . Zarra is Noor in Kurdish (light). Thau or varthau is aftab (sunshine). vashtrau or washthrau means baarandegi in ahorami and jaafi (both Kurdish) : Zarrathaushtra : the one who poured light and sunshine: Vaghty Zartosht amaad donya noor baran shod. OOn kasi keh ba amadanash donya ra noor baran kard. the one who pours lightness and sunshine.

His birthplace according to the research and study of avesta and other scriptures and traveling is according to my friend and my research is in Horomaan region. Horaaman is actually Ahurraman. Ahorraman or Ahurraman or Horramaan is khanevadeh-ee keh Ahura ra parastesh meekonanad. Horra (ahura) maan (khanevadeh). khaandan e Ahurra. The Kin which follows ahurra, the kin of ahurra.

Ahurra. A in Kurdish means : is (hast) hurr or hurra means baalaa or on top or above . Ahurra : that which is above us. Ahura Mazda : Mazda : Mzd, mezd, mazd means Hagh ( fars say mozd for hoghoogh) Ahura Mazda in kurdish : the one from above who is Just.

There are to this very DAY many in Kurdestan who pilgrimage to a site in a mountain between Paweh and Nowsood (in border with Iraq) near the Sirvan roodkhaneh . This is believed to be the site of his araamgaah. There is a mountain nearby, guess what its name is : Atashgaah. There is a village near Atashgaah which is named Zar-derya or Zardya, in Avesta there is a village named in a Gata by the name of "Zardia" , there is another location in Avesta which is claimed to be Zarathushthrau's birthplace in Avesta its called "Zayte" , guess what ???? there is a village near Atashgaah mountain , and not far from where people make their pilgrimage and not far from Zardia by the name of Zaiteh or Zaiteh or : dar oon Zayeedeh shodeh: in there he was born. All just accidental?? I think not.


This proves further how intertwined and real our history and that of our blood brothers the Persians , the Lurs, the Tajiks are. There is no denying that and as Fathers of Iran we will be abondening our sons and daughters if we deny our kin to IRAN.


Lets not let emotions blind us from our origins and historical facts.


ArioBarzan

I would like nothing more than to have my Kurd brothers and sisters join other Iranian people, but I too believe that it should be up to them. If they seek independence and think that independence is the best for their people, then I support that. And if they want to join us if the regime topples, that's a dream come true.

[womanizer]

your chivanist ,racist iranic remand as our Turkish and Arabs brother, exactly talking like you, bring all history balh balh… what sham, cheaper creatures..stop this non sence!!!

First well Medes empire was not Iranian Empire,so don’t read your hindo book, nad mix staff as I told you for centuries Kurds been hidden been oppressed because such defimanition iranizm, turkisnizm arabiznim, . The medes Empire is simply iwas glory of Kurdish Nation. Dnothing to do, with Persians. Medes alwyes consider Persian as baerbaerina, so that is still in myblood I belived as they did 3000 years ago. so don’t our history and humanity with your cheap king ABu banana us.
secondly Kurds never join your so called imaginary iran, is our legimate right, and would be nothing less. We are proud race, proud nation, not your slaves you cheaper bagger!!
Thirdly Kurdistan indpedent is not dream, it is is reality and facts, so keep your ugly smile to yourslf
fort am proud Kurdish , Kurdistan (Medya)come above everything .
Her Tîşt ji Bu Medya, Ji Bu Kurdistan

[Diri]

your chivanist ,racist iranic remand as our Turkish and Arabs brother, exactly talking like you, bring all history balh balh… what sham, cheaper creatures..stop this non sence!!!

First well Medes empire was not Iranian Empire,so don’t read your hindo book, nad mix staff as I told you for centuries Kurds been hidden been oppressed because such defimanition iranizm, turkisnizm arabiznim, . The medes Empire is simply iwas glory of Kurdish Nation. Dnothing to do, with Persians. Medes alwyes consider Persian as baerbaerina, so that is still in myblood I belived as they did 3000 years ago. so don’t our history and humanity with your cheap king ABu banana us.
secondly Kurds never join your so called imaginary iran, is our legimate right, and would be nothing less. We are proud race, proud nation, not your slaves you cheaper bagger!!
Thirdly Kurdistan indpedent is not dream, it is is reality and facts, so keep your ugly smile to yourslf
fort am proud Kurdish , Kurdistan (Medya)come above everything .
Her Tîşt ji Bu Medya, Ji Bu Kurdistan

Womanizer, Parsi supports an independent Kurdistan... Why are you lashing out at him???

I would like nothing more than to have my Kurd brothers and sisters join other Iranian people, but I too believe that it should be up to them. If they seek independence and think that independence is the best for their people, then I support that. And if they want to join us if the regime topples, that's a dream come true.

So don't be mean to him... He is bright and able to look far beyond his own nose... Unlike ArioBarzan - whom according to reliable sources, is a Monarchist...

Do you remember the demonstration that was held in Washington DC. by people from Iran against Islamic Republic of Iran and against Ahmedi Nejad?

Do you remember how the demonstration was split? Into three or four parts...

The Kurds came with their Kurdistan flag to the demonstration - while people who supported the Shah (Monarchists) brought the Monarchist flag with... And the rest were either with the Islamo-communists(Hezbollah etc.) or with the liberal-democrats... So there were four different groups of people at the demonstration...

A reliable source has stated that ArioBarzan was at that demonstration - but he was with the MONARCHISTS - not with the KURDS!!!

But Parsi is an Iranian (Iranian=Somebody from the country called IRAN) who supports the independence of Kurdistan if Kurds sho choose...

So please don't mix the bad people (ArioBarzan) with good people (Parsi)...

He said it would be a dream for him if Kurds wanted to be with Iran... He didn't say that Kurdistan was a dream...

[Piling]

Are you not able here to have a (pseudo) historical or political debate, without insulting you each others ? By the way I advise you to let in peace Ancient Iranian people, they have nothing to do with you and your current cares of "nation" and"blood."

[womanizer]

ok i try be peasecfull with our east nignbours(persia).
as long they respact Kurdistan, baluchistan, etc...

[Gudea]

If ArioBarzan recognizes the natural right of Kurds for self-determination and independence, so what is his point about unification with Tajiks and Hazara of Central Asia?

[Diri]

If ArioBarzan recognizes the natural right of Kurds for self-determination and independence, so what is his ponit about unification with Tajiks and Hazara of Central Asia?

He doesn't... PARSI does...

[Ariobarzan]

If ArioBarzan recognizes the natural right of Kurds for self-determination and independence, so what is his point about unification with Tajiks and Hazara of Central Asia?

Let me be the one who has answered the question directed to me, and not Diri. from the short time I have got to know him he seems like a brave kid who in unfortunately naive and a bit impatient hence jumping the gun and answering on my behalf what my ideology is when infact I have not declared it in regards to Kurd's rights in no place in my post.


Ofcourse I am in agreement with a group of people choosing their own destiny , to think otherwise is classic dictatorship If the people of fars province in Iran decide to seperate from Iran and create their own country encouraging other fars (pars I should say) people in Iran and other "countries" such as in Bahrain, Kuwait, to seperate themselves from arabs and other Iranics say Baluch, Azeri, Parthians, I would totally be OK because it was their decision. But that to me would be the same as what you are trying to do, because the fact remains Perisans are as much Iranian as are Kurds, Mazandaranis, Baluch, as are Tajiks.

If a referendum is held and the majority want to seperate more power to them, however the facts and other opinions must be expressed and respected as well. I am as I mentioned from Sanandaj on my father's side but Persian (ashtiani) and a little Azari from mother side so a while back I decided to explore further the Iranic Kurd roots as I was so disappoiunted to learn that not all kurds think like my family and are not aware of who they are so I went with my friend to Kurdistan, this is where we researched the avesta Gata by Gata and learned Zarathushtrra was indeed in those hills and mountains (Kurds are not Iranian?? what nonsense) .

Unfortunately I could not travel to the Iraqi part as there was much turmoil then there. Me and my friend spent days in the villages mentioned in my original post.

From my limited reading of this site I can guarantee you that there aren't many Iranian Kurds arguing with me and the facts here. Iranian Kurds consider themselves Iranian and of Iranian race for the MOST part. This conclusion was not drawn out of my behind, and it wasn't reached by just talking to my dad's family, it was observed from days and nights of spending time with the most Kurdish of the Kurds. If a Turkish Kurd dislikes the Turk, a Iraqi Kurd dislikes the arab, but an Iranian Kurd not only does not feel dislike but for the most part feels kinship and attatchment to Iran this is due to the Kurds' long kingship with Iran and its Iranic roots, one can not deny this.

Unfortunately this is not the same when I encountered the Kurds from Turkey . WHy?????? simple because they don't KNOW. thats all. when I asked them putting all politics aside do they feel any different closeness to the Iranian, the Turk , or the Arab they said no. How could anyone who speaks the same language , celebrates the same historical occasions, and has the same forefathers does not feel closer to Iran as opposed to the Arab and the Turk . this is simple Ignorance, and it is our responsibility to clear the ignorance at the very least before any group decides to create their own country.

If a referndum would be held as I mentioned earlier and the vote would be for a seperate Kurdistan I would respect that so I am not against it if people decide it, however, I think a seperate referndum has to be held in Iran , and in Turkey to join norther Iraq which is already on its way there because I gaurantee you the Iranian Kurd feels alot closer and know about their Iranian origins . for example, GOOD LUCK SEPERATING Kermanshah from Iran....not in a million years they won't leave. They are as Iranian as they come. They are so Iranian and nationalistic that they may even take arms against such attempts.

SO I think the Turkish Kurd and the Iraqi Kurd need to first learn who they really are then decide to do whatever they want with the knowledge in hand and without ignorance. And if they decide that all these facts that indenyably (sp?) ties them to Iran is not just there to look at and is indeed as important as a nation's identity and decide to be part of a federalist system which would include all lands of Kurdistan in a federal greater Iran...well wouldn't that be a suprepower to be recon with.

A superpower which is not synthetic like the European union, but real with all its people sharing the same blood, the same history, the same goals, simple said THE SAME PAST AND THE SAME FUTURE. here is just another idea.

As far as the big mr. womanizer and the such I have decided to draw a line between ignorance and severe ignorance so no comment to his attacks and others alike.

REGARDS,
ARIOBARZAN