Why Not Assyria?

[cb89807]

sorry sorry, im just all strung up. topics regarding assyrians future always gets me all tense and i cant take any jokes. ya know? im especially pissed after i read this article:

http://assyriatimes.com/engine/modules/ ... storyid=68

Every nation is responsible to find its own way to develop and achieve its own objectives!??!?!?! ummmm, NOT COMPLETELY TRUE. In a sense it is true, but Bush started this war, I think the U.S. shold finish it by solving these objectives. I wonder whats going on in Bush's head...he is prolly saying hmmm, well its your responsibility to figure this shit out, but while Iraq is unstable, the U.S. is just gonna hang around and all n all claim your oil in the end.

[Diri]

Diri, whats that blue region on your map. you know what im talking about?

As Gudea said I am a pro-Assyrian Kurd - who wants Assyrians to have what Kurds have...

But the first step is; Assyrians must realise that Kurds got what they deserved, and that is because their actions lead to what they have...

So shall Assyrians (who are not aware) start with accepting that the Kurds made endless sacrifices to achive what they achived or "deserved" so far... We were bombed and deported... Genocided and unearthed in massgraves, but we still keep going strong...

My Assyrian brother - the blue in my map is Independent Assyria...

[Gudea]

sorry sorry, im just all strung up. topics regarding assyrians future always gets me all tense and i cant take any jokes. ya know? im especially pissed after i read this article:

http://assyriatimes.com/engine/modules/ ... storyid=68

Every nation is responsible to find its own way to develop and achieve its own objectives!??!?!?! ummmm, NOT COMPLETELY TRUE. In a sense it is true, but Bush started this war, I think the U.S. shold finish it by solving these objectives. I wonder whats going on in Bush's head...he is prolly saying hmmm, well its your responsibility to figure this shit out, but while Iraq is unstable, the U.S. is just gonna hang around and all n all claim your oil in the end.

That's a fact we all have been telling you (Syriacs-Chaldeans-Assyrians) there will no fourth Iraqi entity for none of Turkmens, Armenians Jews, or Syriac-Chaldean-Assyrians.

That's what all the Kurdish posters of this thread have been saying to you.

The only exeptions is within Arab or Kurdish regions, at least initially.

[cb89807]

I understand what your people have gone through, and i know you understand Assyrians have gone through the same...genocide, lies, bombings. we are just unfortunate to have about 3 million of us left worldwide. Thats what i thought the blue section was, an Independent Assyria. It really could happen. If all Middle Eastern Assyrians came together, i believe an Independent Assyria is possible. On http://www.aina.org/aol/peter/brief.htm it shows that there are 700,000 Assyrians in Syria, 100,000 in Lebanon, 50,000 in Iran, 24,000 in Turkey, 15,000 in Armenia, and 15,000 in Georgia. Thats almost another million. I also believe the 1,500,000 in Iraq alone are enough because theres countries today that have smaller populations than that. for instance take a look at this if you would like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... population.

[Diri]

I understand what your people have gone through, and i know you understand Assyrians have gone through the same...genocide, lies, bombings. we are just unfortunate to have about 3 million of us left worldwide. Thats what i thought the blue section was, an Independent Assyria. It really could happen. If all Middle Eastern Assyrians came together, i believe an Independent Assyria is possible. On http://www.aina.org/aol/peter/brief.htm it shows that there are 700,000 Assyrians in Syria, 100,000 in Lebanon, 50,000 in Iran, 24,000 in Turkey, 15,000 in Armenia, and 15,000 in Georgia. Thats almost another million. I also believe the 1,500,000 in Iraq alone are enough because theres countries today that have smaller populations than that. for instance take a look at this if you would like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... population.

Actually dear bro - many, MANY, of the Chaldo-Assyrians in Iraq have fled - mostly to Kurdistan - but also to Syria (Xabûr/Khabur) and Mêrdîn (Tur Abdin)... So there are slightly less than 1.5 million Chaldo-Assyrians in Iraq and Southern Kurdistan...

Furthermore, many of the Assyrians who fled Baghdad, Basra and other cities like Mosul and Kerkûk mainly fled to KRG (Kurdistan Regional Government) controlled areas to be safe... The blue you see in my map is what is historically Assyrian lands - the Plains of Nineveh which includes the towns; Nineveh the ancient capital, Calah, Nimrood, Hatra and other nearby towns...

Todays Nineveh (Mosul) should be made capital of a future Assyrian state - but that would mean becoming a majority in the city first - and also effectively outnumbering the Arabs - while the Kurds would stay at their own wish - and thus be protected by the Assyria Regional Constitution... And those Kurds who would like to move to Kurdistan Region should be sponsored by KRG...

[womanizer]

abdur



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Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 7:32 pm Post subject:

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I was thinking of the jewish way in Isreal.. there are many small states and city states in the world like Andorra, Vatican city and Singapore right? Lets say if thousands of assyrians from all over the world move to some city or small region near Mosul inside Kurdistan/Iraq, then form a majority there and ask for self rule over that place why shouldnt we give them the chance? If its on the ground which their forfathers lived on and which they ruled for centuries their descendants do have the historical right in my opinion for self-rule. I doubt such thing will happen but if thats their dream let them have it.. we also share their dream in some way.

You perspective may have worked 100 years ago as Jewish did but not in this century, and it may we had a small city like singapore called assyria with puoplation above 1 millions.
however if what you saying , then I shall bring 10 million Kurds in Kazakhstan, Afghanistan, north east Iran, and 3 millions in Russia, 4 millions in Istanbul by itself and another 3 million Kurds in EU and USA as well as 2 millions in Bagdad, , and pouring them in Kurdistan and scratch Kurdistan border from west until Greece ,north to the Georgia and to east Persian gulf and finally turn Kurdistan population to over 100 millions, therefore if such your theory apply to Assyrian same think apply to Kurds, Kurds are orginal owners or this land, and they have forcibly move to around worlds and in fact in some countries kurds in some are,town and cities are majority, (Do we have to make another Kurdistan colony on those countries as well?).
Therefore your words is just a dream and fantasy. So called Assyrian never can get because imaginary empire. as I have said over and over their population is wide spread, every couple people different place for last 1000 years, you cannot now back a millennium back change demographic , it is impossible nor Kurds, nor Arabs nor Turks nor Israel would accept such think, and also there is only so call Assyrian few thousands left, I do support their cultural autonomy in any town or village they majority, but that is most Kurds which arbs would never give them despite they are same blood.
that is realistic approach, the rest is just fantasy. So for Assyrian is good stick with their big brothers the Kurds who been their guardian for century, just read bible and it tells all about glory of Medya.

[womanizer]

Note
the figure I give is just outside Kurdistan, it is not contain population of Kurds in whole Kurdistan which is about 50 millions in overall in all 4 parts .

[womanizer]

cb89807



Joined: 10 Oct 2006
Posts: 8

Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 8:56 pm Post subject:

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gentically? racially? and physically smarter? apparently not because youre proving yourself a bigot to everyone.

cant you feel it, you put your foot in kurdistan , your ass is mine!!!

cb89807 Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 9:38 pm Post subject:

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There arent any muslim Assyrians. There are many that have been force to convert to Islam. I was reading this book about Assyrians a while ago. Im kind of blurring on my memory but in Iraq there are mosque that are under the name of Christian saints. For example, I remember reading one like Mosque of Saint George. That boggles my mind because i know any Arab would not do such thing. It could most likely be Assyrians forced to convert to Islam. Now im not sure, so dont criticize me.

Dude , there is many Kurdish Christian who have been brained washed by so called Assyrian(arabiya), so same thing here, in fact some Christian in Kurdistan are not Arabo(Assyrian), but they kurds. so in Kurdistan all religions the same, as long they are kurdistani .
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[cb89807]

cb89807



Joined: 10 Oct 2006
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Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 8:56 pm Post subject:

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gentically? racially? and physically smarter? apparently not because youre proving yourself a bigot to everyone.

cant you feel it, you put your foot in kurdistan , your ass is mine!!!

cb89807 Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 9:38 pm Post subject:

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There arent any muslim Assyrians. There are many that have been force to convert to Islam. I was reading this book about Assyrians a while ago. Im kind of blurring on my memory but in Iraq there are mosque that are under the name of Christian saints. For example, I remember reading one like Mosque of Saint George. That boggles my mind because i know any Arab would not do such thing. It could most likely be Assyrians forced to convert to Islam. Now im not sure, so dont criticize me.

Dude , there is many Kurdish Christian who have been brained washed by so called Assyrian(arabiya), so same thing here, in fact some Christian in Kurdistan are not Arabo(Assyrian), but they kurds. so in Kurdistan all religions the same, as long they are kurdistani .

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so this is what i would call a radical Kurd. Dood, you keep on making yourself look really bad. No Kurd decided to become Christian. You think theres Christian Missionaries or something going around in the Middle East proselytizing Kurds to Christianity? Please, just stop you bigot. Kurds are muslims, "Christian Kurds" are just Assyrians that unfortunately have gone through "Kurdification" but still hold on to their Christian morals. Come on now. You keep on calling Assyrians Arabs. Wait a second, arent kurds the muslims. oh wait wait, there are christian kurds oh yeah. but arent Kurds mainly muslim...you better practice your Arabic or you might piss off the Arabs. Seli poomet va poomoo preta. I havent set foot into Kurdistan. Nor will i ever give a Kurd like you the respect that you dont deserve. Assyrians will live on my friend. People like you just love to hate us. Assyrians are no where close to Arabs. Maybe the Arab language is close to Aramaic, but so is hebrew. Does that mean jews are arabs too? You fool, where do you get your source of education? you seriously are the biggest bigot. Now Diri, he is a respectable Kurd that I enjoy talking about the future of both our people. Because Diri doesnt try to bring his people up by bringing mine down. Youre an unrespectable loser that needs to get over himself. Can you feel it? Can you feel that youre a complete idiot? I doubt it, because ill put down anything youre just gonna come back with some other bullshit.

[Diri]

We should have constructive discussions... Womanizer, please don't swear or use bad rhetoric like "your ass is mine"... What's the point of that anyway?

All humans are equal - those who think or act differently have no sympathy from the clear majority of people in this world...

CB my bro is an Assyrian, and as such he should be respected.

Although CB, there are in fact Christian Kurds - not Chaldeans and not Assyrians - but Angelican Kurds (new converts) - furthermore, back in the 19th and 18th century - and even earlier, there were Christian missionaries who travelled in Kurdistan...

Here is something about Muslim Assyrians;

http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/assyria.html

It says that there are about 1% Muslim Assyrians [of the total number of Assyrians, which is 4 million according to sources I have read]...

It's realy interesting...

Bijî Athoraya...

[womanizer]

cb89807!!!

so this is what i would call a radical Kurd. Dood, you keep on making yourself look really bad. No Kurd decided to become Christian. You think theres Christian Missionaries or something going around in the Middle East proselytizing Kurds to Christianity? Please, just stop you bigot. Kurds are muslims, "Christian Kurds" are just Assyrians that unfortunately have gone through "Kurdification" but still hold on to their Christian morals. Come on now. You keep on calling Assyrians Arabs. Wait a second, arent kurds the muslims. oh wait wait, there are christian kurds oh yeah. but arent Kurds mainly muslim...you better practice your Arabic or you might piss off the Arabs. Seli poomet va poomoo preta. I havent set foot into Kurdistan. Nor will i ever give a Kurd like you the respect that you dont deserve. Assyrians will live on my friend. People like you just love to hate us. Assyrians are no where close to Arabs. Maybe the Arab language is close to Aramaic, but so is hebrew. Does that mean jews are arabs too? You fool, where do you get your source of education? you seriously are the biggest bigot. Now Diri, he is a respectable Kurd that I enjoy talking about the future of both our people. Because Diri doesnt try to bring his people up by bringing mine down. Youre an unrespectable loser that needs to get over himself. Can you feel it? Can you feel that youre a complete idiot? I doubt it, because ill put down anything youre just gonna come back with some other bullshit.

Moran!!! read my words carefully, i am happy see missionary in kurdistan . they already there mnay convert to Christianity..Christian is not your religion is ours is belong to whole world,, got that!!!!!Nothing wrong with that. With respect that most Kurds are Muslim, religion is not issue

Get in your brain, there is no such thing as Assyria, you such cant accept thruth!!!you can not build imaginary Tarzan country, it is not exited and even so peoples of ancient Assyrian is not you, you can ask piling , you with few peoples world wide they think they can pouring my land, for years been hurting Kurdish nation propgandaying, lobbying wordl wide agisent kurds, ? what shameless gypesise, I know what you baggers doing!! I am watching each your ass one by one!!!I gone wash you up!! Just wait until I done with Turks and iranis
In 612 BC we get rid of so called assyira, nothing left, it is finished, theymoved to Africa southern syria . Is end story!! Are you still feeling pain??
so I know history much better than you. This paranoia made by British called Assyrian in early 19 century..blah blah.
I like Christian, I love Bible because it has history of our nation(The Medes) it tell how we get rid e of germ like you…so is nothing wrong even all Kurds convert to Christianity, religion is not a issue in Kurdistan at all, however we care about our ancient believes such as ezdizim, zerdust, and christen also is one of them.
One more think Kurds were Christian before Islam, dispute Kurds was ezdi and zerdust most part of Kurdistan was confederation with Roman empire. So don’t tell me you are the first Christian, that is just your shallow of your little brain!!
What hell you doing in Kurdish forum anyway, Spying for Arabs? Havnet you donme enough during Anfal operations against Kurds, we have all records, we know you!!!You think 4 millions Kurds killed, in all part Kurdistan in just this 50 years time. You think ourland come so cheap, every single day my nation blood turning to rivers.,,, still our women and men in front line battling in four part Kurdistan and we going to empty land for your big ass like siting comfortably spying on kurds, progand agisnt kurds, cooperating with Kurdistan occupiers.. I just regret southern government should not mention ethnic Assyrian at all,in Kurdistan constitution. that is way every nation earn its respect .
So, you can scream and you can talk as much big you want but I assure you don’t get anything at all. And one more thing there is no time for Kurds be nice, we had enough from you cheap baggers agent of Arabs.
Go give BJ to hafiz Assad, country is Syria(infact southern Syria was ancient Assyria and arabized they finished..so end story but still they your blood brother , Semitic speakers, so go live in Syria. ) t?? Tell them that is yours .they may understand.

[Gudea]

Womanizer, I understand your indignation on the foe Assyrians of diaspora and their usual anti-Kurdish propaganda and lies.
KRG answered their hostility and anti-Kurdishness with its new constituation. in which unlike their previous promises, they totally ignored them. Apparently they felt the risk of giving apportunity to this fanatic chauvunist group.
but I dont think CB belongs to that group. He seem to have a friendly view toward Kurds.

[womanizer]

Gudea



Joined: 30 Jul 2006
Posts: 60

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 5:50 am Post subject:

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Womanizer, I understand your indignation on the foe Assyrians of diaspora and their usual anti-Kurdish propaganda and lies.
KRG answered their hostility and anti-Kurdishness with its new constituation. in which unlike their previous promises, they totally ignored them. Apparently they felt the risk of giving apportunity to this fanatic chauvunist group.
but I dont think CB belongs to that group. He seem to have a friendly view toward Kurds.

thankx bro... well he is sweet talker,,but let see i will keep him in list for while.

[King Ashurbanipal]

14 October.
Hamdaniya, North Iraq -- A group from the Kurdish militia belonging to the Kurdistan Democratic Party (KDP) attacked the Nineveh headquarters of the Assyrian Democratic Movement's TV station, Ashur TV. The KDP militia forced the TV station staff, including two female news anchors, out of the building and forcibly confined them in their vehicle outside of the Bakhdeda (Hamdaniya) TV station. The Ashur TV station staff driver was severely beaten by the KDP militia and was hospitalized. This is the latest in a string of attacks by the KDP militia on the independently run AshurTV in the predominantly Assyrian Christian area of the Nineveh Plains

[Gudea]

14 October.
Hamdaniya, North Iraq -- A group from the Kurdish militia belonging to the Kurdistan Democratic Party (KDP) attacked the Nineveh headquarters of the Assyrian Democratic Movement's TV station, Ashur TV. The KDP militia forced the TV station staff, including two female news anchors, out of the building and forcibly confined them in their vehicle outside of the Bakhdeda (Hamdaniya) TV station. The Ashur TV station staff driver was severely beaten by the KDP militia and was hospitalized. This is the latest in a string of attacks by the KDP militia on the independently run AshurTV in the predominantly Assyrian Christian area of the Nineveh Plains

Apparently this happened yesterday.
Do you have any accurate info about the reasons of this incident?