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Kurdish Homeland, Iranian Atorpatkan, & Turkish Azerbaij

PostAuthor: Gudea » Wed Oct 11, 2006 6:19 pm

Kurdish Homeland, Iranian Atorpatkan & Turkish Azerbaijan

We all know that Kurds lived in the region west of lake Urmia since very ancient times, when the region some times was called Atorpatkan. much later in modern times, the region witnessed a turkificatuion through deprtation of local Kurds to northern xorasan, to Turkmenistan, Kazakistan and central asia by Iranian government and replacing turks, such as Afshar or qarapapaq turks to the region. so that for example in the city of Urmia in the beguning of the last century the number of turks was more than Kurds. But later after 1979 the region again witnessed a slow but large and growing rekurdification of the cities, through both immigration of Kurds from villages and rural areas to cities, and the higher birth rate of Kurds compared to Azeris.
As you now the region was known as Atorpatkan by iranian officials, indicating to Iranian-speaking Azeris. but in modern times turkic-speaking people of the region used the name Azerbaijan as a turkish terminology, defining where azerbaijani turks live, or in more simple words, today Azerbaijan is a pan-turkist word rather than being a word serving pan-Iranism, or persian nationalism, or even Kurdish nationalism.

Despite this since 1979 Shite revolution in Iran, in which the Shia Azerbaijanis, where united with Shia Persians, the region still have been known as west Azerbaijan. although one can prove with neutral evidence that the majority of the regions are Kurds. (almost everybody know this simple fact, which if required can be discussed).

But in recent years the ethnic and politic situtation of the region totally changed: An extremist Azerbaijani movement (supported by Neo-Mongols such as MHP) is growing. They claim whole of this Kurdish-inhabited province belongs to Azerbaijan, (just because it carries the name of Azerbaijan). and say Kurds are imposing another Nagorno-Karabagh against Azerbaijanis.
and they no longer feel themselves close to Shiate persians. they also consider Shia Azerbaijanis cooperating with Persians (for example based on being Shia) as treators.

On the other hand Kurds are rapidly becomming stronger in the middle east.

This by itlsef is a huge damage and threat to both Pan-Iranism, and Persian nationalism, (the later being integrated with the ruling Shia-Persian movement). Persians themselves feel this catastroph, and thut's why they are trying to make themselves more close to Kurds than before they did.

But here my topic is about the majority Kurdish-inhabited province of west Azerbaijan:
1) I ask Kurds what do you think is good to do?
2) I know that there are persian nationalist movements who talk about Kurdish-Persian friendship. I ask them are they ready to accept to solve this conflict by choosing a much more proper name for the province?
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PostAuthor: Parsi » Wed Oct 11, 2006 6:47 pm

Most people in Iran know that most of "West Azarbaijan" use to be a part of Kurdistan. Many Persians I know don't deny this claim. My father, an Azari, even admits to it.

I think it would be to the benefit of the Persians and other Iranians against Pan-Turkism to not only combine West Azarbaijan with Kurdistan, but also Kermanshah, and Northern Ilam. This would also please the Kurds. Of course, Kermanshahi's and Kurdistani's have some conflict between them, but both being Kurds, I'm sure they can resolve it.

But of course, true Iranians are not in charge of the Iranian government and insist on splitting even modern day provinces even further. For example, Khorasan was split into three provinces, and then again in North Khorasan, they took off a large chunk and labeled it Golestan. :roll:
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PostAuthor: Gudea » Wed Oct 11, 2006 7:00 pm

Parsi wrote:Most people in Iran know that most of "West Azarbaijan" use to be a part of Kurdistan. Many Persians I know don't deny this claim. My father, an Azari, even admits to it.

I think it would be to the benefit of the Persians and other Iranians against Pan-Turkism to not only combine West Azarbaijan with Kurdistan, but also Kermanshah, and Northern Ilam. This would also please the Kurds. Of course, Kermanshahi's and Kurdistani's have some conflict between them, but both being Kurds, I'm sure they can resolve it.

But of course, true Iranians are not in charge of the Iranian government and insist on splitting even modern day provinces even further. For example, Khorasan was split into three provinces, and then again in North Khorasan, they took off a large chunk and labeled it Golestan. :roll:


Your Solution, i.e. unification of all Kurdish regiosns of west of iran under one province actually has almost been a Kurdish dream since 1900s.
but what I usually hear from local Kurds is much lesser than this! something like:
1)Either change name of the province to a neutral name like Province of Urmia, or something else, (local kurds who use the name of Rezaye for urmia, know the province s province of Rezaye)

2) OR let's at least split the province into two parts like forming a Mukriyan province in the southern half of the province, composed of cities of Mehabad, Bukan, Serdesht, Shino, Piranshahr, etc... (Mukriyan is the traditional tittle of much of local Kurds.)
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PostAuthor: Diri » Wed Oct 11, 2006 7:57 pm

Parsi - you mean "Kordestani's and Kirmashanî's" - not "Kurdistanî's"... They are all Kurdistanî's... The name of the province is "Kordestan"...

Kirmashan, Êlam, "West Azerbaycan" and Kordestan, pluss western half of Hemedan are Rojhelat Kurdistan...

Gudea - why split the province???? :?

If anything, they should JOIN "Kordestan"... And the Azeri majority areas of "West Azerbaycan" should join "East Azerbaycan" - which then would become just plain "Azerbaycan"...
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