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Islamic State/Empire - Yes or No?

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PostAuthor: Parsi » Thu Jan 11, 2007 12:36 am

schoolmaster1954 wrote:
Arin wrote:
kurdangel wrote:i'm against an islamic state.. it only causes big problems for women..


Sadly the Quran has some deep and disturbing references to women and the non muslim population... so i have been told.


Can you look at those websites, dear sister? You'll see the truth what the women's post in Islam:

http://www.islamfortoday.com/women.htm#Rights
http://www.islamfortoday.com/women.htm#Websites
http://www.islamfortoday.com/women.htm#Converts
http://www.islamfortoday.com/women.htm#Hijab
http://www.islamfortoday.com/women.htm#Polygamy
http://www.islamfortoday.com/women.htm#Advice

Please try to understand Islam. I don't know if you're a muslumah or not. But still you can understand the Divine Qur'an. It was a revulation for women in its period. It is still so live...


Yes for it's period it was a VERY big step for the Arab society because they did things to women not even imagineable. But for other societies it was not that big of a change or step up.
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PostAuthor: schoolmaster1954 » Thu Jan 11, 2007 9:50 am

Parsi wrote:
schoolmaster1954 wrote:
Arin wrote:
kurdangel wrote:i'm against an islamic state.. it only causes big problems for women..


Sadly the Quran has some deep and disturbing references to women and the non muslim population... so i have been told.


Can you look at those websites, dear sister? You'll see the truth what the women's post in Islam:

http://www.islamfortoday.com/women.htm#Rights
http://www.islamfortoday.com/women.htm#Websites
http://www.islamfortoday.com/women.htm#Converts
http://www.islamfortoday.com/women.htm#Hijab
http://www.islamfortoday.com/women.htm#Polygamy
http://www.islamfortoday.com/women.htm#Advice

Please try to understand Islam. I don't know if you're a muslumah or not. But still you can understand the Divine Qur'an. It was a revulation for women in its period. It is still so live...


Yes for it's period it was a VERY big step for the Arab society because they did things to women not even imagineable. But for other societies it was not that big of a change or step up.




Women's Rights In Islam
The Conditions of Women in Arabia Before Islam
In those days before Islam, women were treated like slaves or property. Their personal consent concerning anything related to their well-being was considered unimportant, to such a degree that they were never even treated as a party to a marriage contract.

Women were used for one purpose, and then discarded. They had no independence, could own no property and were not allowed to inherit. In times of war, women were treated as part of the prize. Simply put, their condition was unspeakable.

In addition, the birth of a daughter in a family was not an occasion for rejoicing, but was regarded with humiliation. The practice of killing female children was uncontrolled.

With the advent of Islam came the verse from the Quran condemning those who practiced female infanticide:

"And when the news of (the birth of) a female (child) is brought to any of them, his face becomes dark, and he is filled with inward grief! He hides himself from the people because of the evil of that whereof he has been informed. Shall he keep her with dishonor or bury her in the earth? Certainly, evil is their decision."
(An-Nahl 16:58-59)

And as part of a description of various events on the Day of Judgment, the Quran mentions:

"And when the female (infant) buried alive (as the pagan Arabs used to do)
shall be questioned. For what sin she was killed? (At-Takwir 81:8-9)

Outside Arabia conditions for women were no better. In India, Egypt, and all European countries in the Dark Ages, women were treated worse than slaves. They were not regarded as human beings but as sort of a sub-species between humans and animals.



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Allah (SWT) Gave the Arab Women Their Rights
The rights of Muslim women were given to us by Allah (SWT), who is All-Compassionate, All-Merciful, All-Just, All-Unbiased, All-Knowing and Most Wise. These rights, which were granted to women more than 1400 years ago, and were taught by the perfect example of the Prophet Muhammad (SAW), were given by the one Who created us and Who alone knows what rights are best for our female natures. Allah (SWT) says in the Quran:

"O You who believe! You are forbidden to inherit women against their will, and you should not treat them with harshness, that you may take away part of the Mahr (bridal-money given by the husband to his wife at time of marriage) you have given them, unless they commit open illegal sexual intercourse. And live with them honorably. If you dislike them, it may be that you dislike a thing and Allah brings
through it a great deal of good." (An-Nisa 4:19)

The most basic right of a woman in Islam is the knowledge and recognition that she never has to ask or demand or fight for her rights which are guaranteed to her by Allah (SWT) Himself.



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Rights That Islam Gives to Women
Human Rights

Islam considers a woman to be equal to a man as a human being and as his partner in this life. Women have been created with a soul of the same nature as man’s. Allah (SWT) says in the Quran:

"O mankind! Be dutiful to your Lord, Who created you from a single person (Adam), and from him (Adam) He created his wife (Eve), and from them both He created many men and women and fear Allah through Whom you demand your mutual (rights), and (do not cut the relations of) the wombs (kinship). Surely, Allah is Ever and All-Watcher over you." (Al-Nisa 4:1)

And in the words of the Prophet Muhammad (SAW),

"Assuredly, women are the twin halves of men." (Sahih reported by Abu-Dawud (RA)

Islam does not blame Eve alone for the First Sin. The Quran makes it very clear that both Adam and Eve were tempted, that they both sinned and were both forgiven after their repentance. Allah (SWT) says in the Quran:

"Then Satan whispered suggestions to them both in order to uncover that which was hidden from them of their private parts (before); he said: "Your Lord did not forbid you this tree save you should become angels or become of the immortals." And he (Satan) swore by Allah to them both (saying): "Verily, I am one of the sincere well-wishers for you both." So he mislead them with deception. Then when they tasted of the tree, that which was hidden from them of their shame (private parts) became manifest to them and they began to stick together the leaves of Paradise over themselves (in order to cover their shame). And their Lord called out to them (saying): "Did I not forbid you that tree and tell you: Verily, Satan is an open enemy unto you?" They said: "Our Lord! We have wronged ourselves. If You forgive us not, and bestow not upon us Your Mercy, we shall certainly be of the losers." (Allah) said: "Get down, one of you an enemy to the other (i.e. Adam, Eve, and Satan, etc.). On earth will be a dwelling-place for you and an enjoyment, - for a time." He said: "Therein you shall live, and therein you shall die, and from it you shall be brought out (i.e. resurrected)."(Al-A’raf 7:20-25)

In Islamic law a woman is an independent, unique individual in her own right. She has the same responsibilities towards herself, towards Allah (SWT) and towards other human beings as the male, and will be punished or rewarded in the Hereafter without discrimination towards her female gender.

Civil Rights

There is no compulsion in religion according to the Quran:

"There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the Right Path has become distinct from the wrong path. Whoever disbelieves in Taghut [anything worshipped other then the Real God (Allah)] and believes in Allah, then he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break. And Allah is All-Hearer, All-Knower."
(Al-Baqarah 2:256)

A Muslim woman is not permitted to change her family name to her husband’s name upon marriage. She is always known by her father’s name, as a mark of her own identity. In choosing a marriage partner, her consent to accept or reject any prospective suitor for marriage must be respected. A Muslim woman has the right to seek divorce, if necessary within the laws of Islam.



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Muslim Women Have the Right to Go Outside of Her Home
Muslim women are not forbidden from going out in the community, working, or visiting relatives and female friends, if there is no objection from their guardian/husband and they are covered and behave and speak according to Islamic guidelines and, if necessary, escorted by their Mahram (a close male relative). However, a woman’s home should be the main base that she works from. Allah (SWT) instructed the wife’s of the Prophet (SAW):

"O wives of the Prophet! You are not like any other women. If you keep your duty (to Allah), then be not soft in speech, lest he is whose heart is a disease (of hypocrisy or evil desire for adultery, etc.) should be moved with desire, but speak in an honorable manner. And stay in your houses, and do not display yourselves like that of the times of ignorance, and offer prayers perfectly (Iqamat-as-Salat), and give Zakat and obey Allah and His Messenger. Allah wishes only to remove Ar-Rijs (evil deeds and sins, etc.) from you, O members of the family [of the Prophet (SAW)], and to purify you with a thorough purification." (Al-Ahzab 33:32-33)


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A Woman in Islam Has the Right to Get an Education
In the words of the Prophet Muhammad (SAW):

"To seek knowledge is obligatory on every Muslim."
(Declared Authentic By Shaikh Muhammad Naasir-ud-Deen Al-Albaani)

Muslim here meaning male and female Muslims, as women are the twin halves of men. The Prophet (SAW) also said:

"Whoever follows a way to seek knowledge, Allah will make easy for him a way to paradise." (Declared Authentic By Shaikh Muhammad Naasir-ud-Deen Al-Albaani)

A woman in Islam has the right to knowledge and education. Allah (SWT) encourages women to read and keep up the learning process. He also bestows His mercy upon all who seek knowledge, and gives them high status:

"Is one who is obedient to Allah, prostrating himself or standing (in prayer) during the hours of the night, fearing the Hereafter and hoping for the Mercy of his Lord (like one who disbelieves)? Say: "Are those who know equal to those who know not?" It is only men of understanding who will remember (i.e. get a lesson from Allah’s Signs and Verses). (Az-Zumar 39:9)

"O you who believe! When you are told to make room in the assemblies, (spread out and) make room. Allah will give you (ample) room (from His Mercy). And when you are told to rise up (for prayers, Jihad, or for any other good deed), rise up. Allah will exalt in degree those of you who believe, and those who have been granted knowledge. And Allah is Well-Acquainted with what you do. (Al-Mujadilah 58:11)

This is referring to religious knowledge, in the first place, and to any other kind of knowledge, in the second place, where one has the intention of benefiting herself, her family and the Islamic society. Additionally, a husband should not forbid his wife from going out of the house to seek basic religious knowledge, unless he is teaching her at home. The Quran advises mankind to pray:

"Then High above all be Allah, the True King. And be not in haste [O Muhammad (SAW)] with the Quran before its revelation is completed to you, and say: My Lord! Increase me in knowledge." (Ta-Ha 20:114)


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The Right to Go to the Mosque
The Messenger of Allah (SAW) said:

"If someone’s wife asks his permission to go to the mosque, he should not deny it to her."

Women should be covered Islamically, according to the Muslim woman's dress requirements (see Her Dress).

At the same time, a woman’s prayer in her home is better, from the standpoint of her household duties and duties as a mother. Also it is better in the sense that it prevents unnecessary mixing with men. The Prophet (SAW) also stated on another occasion:

"But their homes are better for them." (Reported by Abu Dawud and Ahmed)


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Islam Gives Men and Women Equal Rights
In reality, and in Islam, the rights and responsibilities of a woman are equal to those of man, but they are not necessarily identical with them. Equality and sameness are two very different things. I think you’ll agree that, for one thing, women and men are physically very different from one another, although they are equal to each other in other important ways.

In the West, women may be doing the same job that men do, but their wages are often less. The rights of Western women in modern times were not created voluntarily, or out of kindness to the female. The modern Western woman reached her present position by force, and not through natural processes or mutual consent of Divine teachings. She had to force her way, and various circumstances aided her. Shortage of manpower during wars, pressure of economic needs and requirement of industry forced women to leave their homes to work, struggling for their livelihood, to appear equal to men. Whether all women are sincerely pleased with these circumstances, and whether they are happy and satisfied with the results, is a different matter. But the fact remains that whatever rights modern Western women have, they fall short of those of her Muslim counterpart! Islam has given woman what duties her female nature. It gives her full security and protects her against becoming what Western modern women themselves complain against: a "mere sex object."



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The Right to Seek Employment
If you take a look at many societies today, a woman is only valued and considered important if she performs the functions of a man, (while at the same time displaying her feminine attractions to the public). While these women may carry the immense responsibility of bearing and rearing children, you have to admit that they may still be at par with men in nearly every area of life. The result is the present-day confusion concerning sex role differentiation, resulting in very large numbers of divorces and emotionally distraught children.

In Islam, however, the value and importance of women in society and the true measure of their success as human beings, is measured with completely different criteria: their fear of Allah (SWT) and obedience to Him, and fulfillment of the duties He has entrusted them with, particularly that of bearing, rearing and teaching children.

Nevertheless, Islam is a practical religion, and responds to human needs and life situations. Many women need, or wish, to work for various reasons. For example, they may possess a needed skill, such as a teacher or a doctor.

While Islam does not prohibit women working outside the home, it does stipulate that the following restrictions be followed to safeguard the dignity and honor of women and the purity and stability of the Islamic society, (the conduct of women, after all, is the "backbone" of any society):

1. Outside employment should not come before, or seriously interfere with her responsibilities as wife and mother.

2. Her work should not be a source of friction within the family, and the husband’s consent is required in order to eliminate later disagreements. If she is not married, she must have her guardian’s consent.

3. Her appearance, manner and tone of speech and overall behavior should follow Islamic guidelines. These include: restraining her glances in relation to any men near the work place, wearing correct Islamic dress, avoiding men, not walking in a provocative manner, and not using make-up or perfume in public.

4. Her job should not be one which causes moral corruption in society, or involve any prohibited trade or activity, affect her own religion, morals, dignity and good behavior, or subject her to temptations.

5. Her job should not be one which is mixing and associating with men.

6. A woman should try to seek employment in positions which require a woman’s special skills, or which relate to the needs of women and children, such as teaching, nursing other women, midwifery, medicine with specialization’s like pediatric or obstetrics-gynecology.



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A Muslim Woman is Required to Dress a Certain Way When She Goes Out in Public
For a Muslim woman, her modest dress is an expression of a universal sisterhood. An Islamic dress also liberates the Muslim woman, and she is then automatically respected for her mind instead of her body. Simply put, she retains her dignity! It is like saying: I am a respectful woman. I am not for every man to look at, touch, or speak to. I am protected, exactly like a precious white pearl which, if touched by everyone, will become black and dirty.

A woman’s modest dress protects society from adultery and other forms of illegal sexual relations that lead to the break up of families and corruption of society.

THE RIGHT OF A MUSLIM WOMAN IS TO BE RESPECTED FOR HER MIND AND FOR BEING HER OWN PERSON
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PostAuthor: schoolmaster1954 » Thu Jan 11, 2007 9:55 am

Parsi wrote:
schoolmaster1954 wrote:
Arin wrote:
kurdangel wrote:i'm against an islamic state.. it only causes big problems for women..


Sadly the Quran has some deep and disturbing references to women and the non muslim population... so i have been told.


Can you look at those websites, dear sister? You'll see the truth what the women's post in Islam:

http://www.islamfortoday.com/women.htm#Rights
http://www.islamfortoday.com/women.htm#Websites
http://www.islamfortoday.com/women.htm#Converts
http://www.islamfortoday.com/women.htm#Hijab
http://www.islamfortoday.com/women.htm#Polygamy
http://www.islamfortoday.com/women.htm#Advice

Please try to understand Islam. I don't know if you're a muslumah or not. But still you can understand the Divine Qur'an. It was a revulation for women in its period. It is still so live...


Yes for it's period it was a VERY big step for the Arab society because they did things to women not even imagineable. But for other societies it was not that big of a change or step up.




http://www.answering-islam.org/Women/index.html
Women in Christianity and Islam

Overview articles


Women in the Qur'an
Muhammad's Low Opinion of Women
Top ten rules in the Quran that oppress and insult women
Women in the Bible: [Part 1], [Part 2]
Women in Islam: [Part 1], [Part 2], [Part 3], [Part 4]
Books


The Position of Women in Islam
The Place of Women in Pure Islam
The Place of Women in Christianity & Islam
Discussion of individual aspects


Did Allah forget the wives?
'Iddah rules for divorced and widowed women
The majority in hell are women?
Muhammad and the treatment of wives

Women under Islamic Law -- an Iranian lawyer reports about systematic inequality and severe oppression
Answers to various Muslim Polemics


Women In Islam Versus Women In The Judaeo-Christian Tradition: The Myth And The Reality
Responses to Dr. Jamal Badawi's papers:
The Status of Women in Islam
Gender Equity In Islam
The Rights of Women in the Bible and Quran (in answer to Osama Abdallah's challenge)
Second response to Osama Abdallah:
Revisiting the case for the honorific position of women in Holy Bible in contrast to their degradation in Islam:
[Part 1], [Part 2]
Domestic Violence in the Quran
To Beat Or Not To Beat
Why Christians do not allow Polygamy
The "more women than men" argument

Overview on web articles on Women in Islam

Comparison: Women's rights before Islam and according to Islam



Further links of related interest:


Christian Distinctives -- Women in the Heart of God
Women of Faith
A Woman's voice
What about those who say that Christianity promotes male domination over women?
Recovering Biblical Manhood and Womanhood
Christians for Biblical Equality
The Bible and gender-inclusive language
Fascinating Womanhood
Women and Religion
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PostAuthor: schoolmaster1954 » Thu Jan 11, 2007 10:05 am

Parsi wrote:
schoolmaster1954 wrote:
Arin wrote:
kurdangel wrote:i'm against an islamic state.. it only causes big problems for women..


Sadly the Quran has some deep and disturbing references to women and the non muslim population... so i have been told.


Can you look at those websites, dear sister? You'll see the truth what the women's post in Islam:

http://www.islamfortoday.com/women.htm#Rights
http://www.islamfortoday.com/women.htm#Websites
http://www.islamfortoday.com/women.htm#Converts
http://www.islamfortoday.com/women.htm#Hijab
http://www.islamfortoday.com/women.htm#Polygamy
http://www.islamfortoday.com/women.htm#Advice

Please try to understand Islam. I don't know if you're a muslumah or not. But still you can understand the Divine Qur'an. It was a revulation for women in its period. It is still so live...


Yes for it's period it was a VERY big step for the Arab society because they did things to women not even imagineable. But for other societies it was not that big of a change or step up.


http://www.answering-islam.org/Women/inislam.html


A comprehensive collection of links on the topic of


Women in Islam
If you know of other web pages not listed here, please tell us about them so that we can add them here.

"Women in Islam", their position, their rights, polygamy, etc... are constantly hot topics on the newsgroups and personal discussions as well as academic research.

End of 1996 I did some major web search on this topic and would like to share the resources collected with all of the readership here.


A) Islamic web sites
B) Critical or positive evaluations of the Islamic teaching and reality
C) Related issues (Polygamy, Female circumcision, etc.)



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A) Islamic articles and web sites

Addressing Quality-of-Life Issues Faced by Muslim Women and Their Families (works to counter domestic violence against Muslim women)
Women in Islam (plenty of links and articles)
Islam and Women's Rights
Idiocy of Gender Equality: The Case of the Woman Imam (by Yamin Zakaria)
Muslim Women's Homepage
Status of Women in Islam
Women Rights in Islam
Women in Islam (lots of articles)
The record set straight: Women in Islam have rights By Noah Ragab
Women in Islam [Ahmadiayya]
Women in Islam
Women in Islam
The Muslim Woman, Her role and Her Honor
Woman: Last amongst the equals
Status of Men And Women (Letters to Tahira)
Women's Liberation through Islam or the same at Women's Liberation through Islam
Marital Relations and Mutual Rights in Islam
The Muslim Family [a book commercial]
Women in the Qur'an and the Sunna
Status of Women in Islam
Islam from Patriarchy to Feminism
The Myth of Oppression: Women in Iran
Muslim Women's League (MWL)
Women in Islam
Why Two Women Witnesses? (an amazing rationalization!)
Status of Women in Islam" by Hammuda Abdul-Ati, Ph.D.: [1], [2]
Dr. Badawi: Gender Equity in Islam and The Status of Women in Islam
Fatawas Regarding Women
Muslim women's dress
Words to my Muslim Sister
Women in Islam
Women in Islam and Christianity
Women, Islam & Equality (Islamic, critical, mainly about Iran) and more
The Woman's Status in Christianity & Islam
Then: Just about everywhere we find:


"Women in Islam versus Women in the Judaeo-Christian Tradition"
The ultimate propaganda pamphlet. This was immediately recognized as extremely valuable by many Muslims and it is located on over a dozen pages. Multiplication of locations is, however, not turning false claims into true statements. This book is responded to in several articles.




Now, we do observe the great creativity in titles... "Women in Islam" being the absolute most favorite one. :-) ... I started to wonder why I never have seen any article named "Men in Islam". Either this indicates that indeed it is only the women whose problems and place have to be solved, established and explained, because only they have to struggle with such problems. OR (?) do I detect a discrimination against men who do not receive any attention in Islam?



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B) Critical or positive evaluations of the Islamic teaching and reality

Polemics on Veiling Egyptian Women in the Twentieth Century
From Muhammad to Present: Islamic Law and Women
Women in Islam
The Limits on Women's Lives
Wife Beating in Islam
The Place of Women in Christianity & Islam
The Position of Women in Islam
The Place of Women in Pure Islam
The above two books seem to be the only books that deal with the many hadiths and rulings of Muslim scholars and take a deeper look at the traditional Islamic view on women. I would be interested to see a careful discussion of this material by Muslims, since this is done by non-Muslim authors. Call it biased against Islam, but what is the answer?


Women in Islam
Women in Islam: Qur'anic ideals versus Muslim realities
Women in the Qur'an, Traditions and Interpretations (book commercial) I did not have the opportunity to read this book yet.
Women, Islam & Equality
Bengali Studies Conference - Papers [some on women in Islam]
A Woman's Life in Islam
Islam and Feminism another book review
Women and Islam: Review


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C) Related Issues

Female circumcision
Recommended by a Muslim I highly respect:
Berkey, Jonathan P., "Circumcision circumscribed: female excision
and cultural accomodation in the Medieval Near East,"
International Journal of Middle East Studies, 28 (1996), 19-38.

The Circumcision of Girls (in Islam) (Sunan Abu Dawud, No. 5251)
Further comments: [A], [B]
A number of hadiths on female circumcision
Islamic Law On Female Circumcision (Shafi'i school)
Islamic Rulings (Islam Q&A): *, *
Female Genital Mutilation in Africa, Middle East and Far East
Female Circumcision: Field Observations in Egypt
Circumcision (a Muslim article)
Female Circumcision (papers and links): [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7]
Right or wrong, some think it is Islamic in some form: *

The Women's Caravan and CyberHarem (General (Middle East to South East) Cultural Women's site
Sinai Bedouin Women

Polyamory - Religion and Law


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Observation:

Most of the Islamic pages start off to explain that the image of women in Islam is bad, and this is wrong, and then try to explain why women really have equal status etc. They do clearly have the agenda to remedy a situation that the authors do not like [understandably so]. This doesn't mean from the outset that it is all wrong and biased. But it is good to keep the agenda in mind when reading this. They ARE written to change an image. Not from a "neutral observer's" viewpoint. There are few Islamic web sites [I haven't really found any, but I might not have found all] who seem to display articles on the topic which are NOT done mainly for producing a better image but who try to give an overview of the REALITY [instead of a theoretical explanation of what it should be (according to whom?)] nor do Islamic web sites deal with the traditional view of women as in the Muslim scholarly works. That seems to be done only in non-Muslim publication(s).

I hope this list is helpful to some at least. It was highly interesting for me to surf around and see what is there.



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Related topics:

Interfaith marriages between Muslims and non-Muslims


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Women Issues
Answering Islam Home Page

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PostAuthor: schoolmaster1954 » Thu Jan 11, 2007 10:06 am

Parsi wrote:
schoolmaster1954 wrote:
Arin wrote:
kurdangel wrote:i'm against an islamic state.. it only causes big problems for women..


Sadly the Quran has some deep and disturbing references to women and the non muslim population... so i have been told.


Can you look at those websites, dear sister? You'll see the truth what the women's post in Islam:

http://www.islamfortoday.com/women.htm#Rights
http://www.islamfortoday.com/women.htm#Websites
http://www.islamfortoday.com/women.htm#Converts
http://www.islamfortoday.com/women.htm#Hijab
http://www.islamfortoday.com/women.htm#Polygamy
http://www.islamfortoday.com/women.htm#Advice

Please try to understand Islam. I don't know if you're a muslumah or not. But still you can understand the Divine Qur'an. It was a revulation for women in its period. It is still so live...


Yes for it's period it was a VERY big step for the Arab society because they did things to women not even imagineable. But for other societies it was not that big of a change or step up.


http://www.answering-islam.org/Women/inislam.html


A comprehensive collection of links on the topic of


Women in Islam
If you know of other web pages not listed here, please tell us about them so that we can add them here.

"Women in Islam", their position, their rights, polygamy, etc... are constantly hot topics on the newsgroups and personal discussions as well as academic research.

End of 1996 I did some major web search on this topic and would like to share the resources collected with all of the readership here.


A) Islamic web sites
B) Critical or positive evaluations of the Islamic teaching and reality
C) Related issues (Polygamy, Female circumcision, etc.)



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A) Islamic articles and web sites

Addressing Quality-of-Life Issues Faced by Muslim Women and Their Families (works to counter domestic violence against Muslim women)
Women in Islam (plenty of links and articles)
Islam and Women's Rights
Idiocy of Gender Equality: The Case of the Woman Imam (by Yamin Zakaria)
Muslim Women's Homepage
Status of Women in Islam
Women Rights in Islam
Women in Islam (lots of articles)
The record set straight: Women in Islam have rights By Noah Ragab
Women in Islam [Ahmadiayya]
Women in Islam
Women in Islam
The Muslim Woman, Her role and Her Honor
Woman: Last amongst the equals
Status of Men And Women (Letters to Tahira)
Women's Liberation through Islam or the same at Women's Liberation through Islam
Marital Relations and Mutual Rights in Islam
The Muslim Family [a book commercial]
Women in the Qur'an and the Sunna
Status of Women in Islam
Islam from Patriarchy to Feminism
The Myth of Oppression: Women in Iran
Muslim Women's League (MWL)
Women in Islam
Why Two Women Witnesses? (an amazing rationalization!)
Status of Women in Islam" by Hammuda Abdul-Ati, Ph.D.: [1], [2]
Dr. Badawi: Gender Equity in Islam and The Status of Women in Islam
Fatawas Regarding Women
Muslim women's dress
Words to my Muslim Sister
Women in Islam
Women in Islam and Christianity
Women, Islam & Equality (Islamic, critical, mainly about Iran) and more
The Woman's Status in Christianity & Islam
Then: Just about everywhere we find:


"Women in Islam versus Women in the Judaeo-Christian Tradition"
The ultimate propaganda pamphlet. This was immediately recognized as extremely valuable by many Muslims and it is located on over a dozen pages. Multiplication of locations is, however, not turning false claims into true statements. This book is responded to in several articles.




Now, we do observe the great creativity in titles... "Women in Islam" being the absolute most favorite one. :-) ... I started to wonder why I never have seen any article named "Men in Islam". Either this indicates that indeed it is only the women whose problems and place have to be solved, established and explained, because only they have to struggle with such problems. OR (?) do I detect a discrimination against men who do not receive any attention in Islam?



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B) Critical or positive evaluations of the Islamic teaching and reality

Polemics on Veiling Egyptian Women in the Twentieth Century
From Muhammad to Present: Islamic Law and Women
Women in Islam
The Limits on Women's Lives
Wife Beating in Islam
The Place of Women in Christianity & Islam
The Position of Women in Islam
The Place of Women in Pure Islam
The above two books seem to be the only books that deal with the many hadiths and rulings of Muslim scholars and take a deeper look at the traditional Islamic view on women. I would be interested to see a careful discussion of this material by Muslims, since this is done by non-Muslim authors. Call it biased against Islam, but what is the answer?


Women in Islam
Women in Islam: Qur'anic ideals versus Muslim realities
Women in the Qur'an, Traditions and Interpretations (book commercial) I did not have the opportunity to read this book yet.
Women, Islam & Equality
Bengali Studies Conference - Papers [some on women in Islam]
A Woman's Life in Islam
Islam and Feminism another book review
Women and Islam: Review


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C) Related Issues

Female circumcision
Recommended by a Muslim I highly respect:
Berkey, Jonathan P., "Circumcision circumscribed: female excision
and cultural accomodation in the Medieval Near East,"
International Journal of Middle East Studies, 28 (1996), 19-38.

The Circumcision of Girls (in Islam) (Sunan Abu Dawud, No. 5251)
Further comments: [A], [B]
A number of hadiths on female circumcision
Islamic Law On Female Circumcision (Shafi'i school)
Islamic Rulings (Islam Q&A): *, *
Female Genital Mutilation in Africa, Middle East and Far East
Female Circumcision: Field Observations in Egypt
Circumcision (a Muslim article)
Female Circumcision (papers and links): [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7]
Right or wrong, some think it is Islamic in some form: *

The Women's Caravan and CyberHarem (General (Middle East to South East) Cultural Women's site
Sinai Bedouin Women

Polyamory - Religion and Law


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Observation:

Most of the Islamic pages start off to explain that the image of women in Islam is bad, and this is wrong, and then try to explain why women really have equal status etc. They do clearly have the agenda to remedy a situation that the authors do not like [understandably so]. This doesn't mean from the outset that it is all wrong and biased. But it is good to keep the agenda in mind when reading this. They ARE written to change an image. Not from a "neutral observer's" viewpoint. There are few Islamic web sites [I haven't really found any, but I might not have found all] who seem to display articles on the topic which are NOT done mainly for producing a better image but who try to give an overview of the REALITY [instead of a theoretical explanation of what it should be (according to whom?)] nor do Islamic web sites deal with the traditional view of women as in the Muslim scholarly works. That seems to be done only in non-Muslim publication(s).

I hope this list is helpful to some at least. It was highly interesting for me to surf around and see what is there.



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PostAuthor: Diri » Thu Jan 11, 2007 11:17 am

Again... Just the link would be enough - and you could post maybe ONE or TWO lines from the article, which you find "important" to your point...

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PostAuthor: schoolmaster1954 » Thu Jan 11, 2007 11:22 am

Diri wrote:Again... Just the link would be enough - and you could post maybe ONE or TWO lines from the article, which you find "important" to your point...

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Those are all links.
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PostAuthor: Diri » Thu Jan 11, 2007 12:28 pm

schoolmaster1954 wrote:
Diri wrote:Again... Just the link would be enough - and you could post maybe ONE or TWO lines from the article, which you find "important" to your point...

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Those are all links.


A link is an adress to a website...

What you posted is just a long list of information... However, it seems those are BOOKS you have listed?
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PostAuthor: Parsi » Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:05 pm

Schoolmaster,

How about YOU, personally, reply to comments instead of just posting random links about Islam. No one is going to sit behind their computer and look at the 1000 links you posted. Who has the time?

I know that in Iranian history, women had jobs and were payed as much, if not even more than men pre-dating Islam. I also know they took part in battle. We had a famous woman general who oustsmarted the Greeks and escaped Athens during the Greeko-Persian wars. We had women warriars to the north who inspired "The Amazons" novel.

You can't sit there and compare Arab society and their treatment of women and ours - two totally different worlds. So I remain on my view point that Islam didn't bring that much change for women in Iran - once Islam was corrupted women LOST rights, not gained.

I'm Muslim, but I'm not going to sit here, close my eyes, and pretend like Islam saved women in Iranian civilizations...
Look to your history and roots to find your true self.

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PostAuthor: schoolmaster1954 » Fri Jan 12, 2007 5:46 am

Parsi wrote:Schoolmaster,

How about YOU, personally, reply to comments instead of just posting random links about Islam. No one is going to sit behind their computer and look at the 1000 links you posted. Who has the time?

I know that in Iranian history, women had jobs and were payed as much, if not even more than men pre-dating Islam. I also know they took part in battle. We had a famous woman general who oustsmarted the Greeks and escaped Athens during the Greeko-Persian wars. We had women warriars to the north who inspired "The Amazons" novel.

You can't sit there and compare Arab society and their treatment of women and ours - two totally different worlds. So I remain on my view point that Islam didn't bring that much change for women in Iran - once Islam was corrupted women LOST rights, not gained.

I'm Muslim, but I'm not going to sit here, close my eyes, and pretend like Islam saved women in Iranian civilizations...



http://www.iran-e-azad.org/english/book ... ction.html


Women, Islam & Equality

The National Council of Resistance of IranForeign Affairs Committee

A publication of the Foreign Affairs Committee of the National Council of Resistance of Iran.Correspondence address: B.P. 18, 95430 Auvers-sur-Oise, France

Chapter Three - Islam: Beacon of Women's

As a Muslim woman, let me proclaim that the peddlers of religion who rule Iran in the name of Islam, but shed blood, suppress the people and advocate export of fundamentalism and terrorism, are themselves the worst enemy of Islam and Muslims. The day will come when they will be forced to let go of the name of Islam.
Maryam Rajavi, June 16, 1995(1)

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PostAuthor: schoolmaster1954 » Fri Jan 12, 2007 5:57 am

Parsi wrote:Schoolmaster,

How about YOU, personally, reply to comments instead of just posting random links about Islam. No one is going to sit behind their computer and look at the 1000 links you posted. Who has the time?

I know that in Iranian history, women had jobs and were payed as much, if not even more than men pre-dating Islam. I also know they took part in battle. We had a famous woman general who oustsmarted the Greeks and escaped Athens during the Greeko-Persian wars. We had women warriars to the north who inspired "The Amazons" novel.

You can't sit there and compare Arab society and their treatment of women and ours - two totally different worlds. So I remain on my view point that Islam didn't bring that much change for women in Iran - once Islam was corrupted women LOST rights, not gained.

I'm Muslim, but I'm not going to sit here, close my eyes, and pretend like Islam saved women in Iranian civilizations...



You can read that book to see the place of women in pre-Islam period of Iran.

Women in Iran from the Rise of Islam to 1800
by Guity Nashat (Editor), Lois Beck (Editor)



Product Details
ISBN: 0252071212
ISBN-13: 9780252071218
Format: Paperback, 272pp
Publisher: University of Illinois Press
Sales Rank: 451,922
Table of Contents
Acknowledgments
A Note on Transliterations
Chronology
Introduction 1
1 Women in Pre-Islamic and Early Islamic Iran 11
2 Women During the Transition from Sasanian to Early Islamic Times 48
3 Women and the Urban Religious Elite in the Pre-Mongol Period 68
4 Eleventh-Century Women: Evidence from Bayhaqi's History 80
5 Women in the Seljuq Period 103
6 Women in Timurid Dynastic Politics 121
7 Status, Knowledge, and Politics: Women in Sixteenth-Century Safavid Iran 140
8 Waters and Women, Maidens and Might: The Passage of Royal Authority in the Shahnama 170
9 Taming the Unruly King: Nizami's Shirin as Lover and Educator 186
10 Lifting the Veil from the Face of Depiction: The Representation of Women in Persian Painting 206
Contributors 237
Index 241



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PostAuthor: schoolmaster1954 » Fri Jan 12, 2007 6:07 am

Parsi wrote:Schoolmaster,

How about YOU, personally, reply to comments instead of just posting random links about Islam. No one is going to sit behind their computer and look at the 1000 links you posted. Who has the time?

I know that in Iranian history, women had jobs and were payed as much, if not even more than men pre-dating Islam. I also know they took part in battle. We had a famous woman general who oustsmarted the Greeks and escaped Athens during the Greeko-Persian wars. We had women warriars to the north who inspired "The Amazons" novel.

You can't sit there and compare Arab society and their treatment of women and ours - two totally different worlds. So I remain on my view point that Islam didn't bring that much change for women in Iran - once Islam was corrupted women LOST rights, not gained.

I'm Muslim, but I'm not going to sit here, close my eyes, and pretend like Islam saved women in Iranian civilizations...



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_women



http://www.parstimes.com/women/


http://www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/Women/wom ... t_iran.htm
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PostAuthor: Parsi » Fri Jan 12, 2007 5:30 pm

Thank you for your links - but PLEASE just post the LINKS and NOT THE ARTICLES...

I will read them when I have time. Thank you again.
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PostAuthor: Piling » Fri Jan 12, 2007 7:41 pm

Schoolmaster I did edit your post just for showing you what kind of post we want. Now I hope that you will understand our askings.
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PostAuthor: schoolmaster1954 » Fri Jan 12, 2007 9:56 pm

Piling wrote:Schoolmaster I did edit your post just for showing you what kind of post we want. Now I hope that you will understand our askings.


What do you mean? What do you want me to do? What are your askings?
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