Strengthen the Turkish - Kurdish Brotherhood

[Vladimir]

Europe will not become muslim.

[Diri]

People are going off-topic...

Isn't this thread about "brotherhood" between to enemy nations?


Namely the Kurds and Turks...

[K4L_2007]

There is no such thing as a "muslim brotherhood" - there never was.

Right after the death of Prophet Muhammed Islam was abused and it still is being abused today. I will always be an Iranian Kurd and Azari, and then a Muslim as do all others: ethnicity and common cultural ground ALWAYS comes first - history has shown us this...

This is the ideology that the Osmons used on the Kurd: Muslim brotherhood : to get the Kurds to help them fight...

Fool me once - shame on you, Fool me twice - shame on ME...

I have a muslim brotherhood, and the current population in it is me, myself and I. And the rest of the kurdish ppl. The Islamic brotherhood hasnt done anything to help us. Most of the arabic countries love Saladin, how come they hate us?

There will never be a brotherhood for kurds, we are on our own.

[Balci]

first of all, I don't see any point being in a brotherhood with enemies and backstabbers.

[Darkseid]

There is no such thing as a "muslim brotherhood" - there never was.

Right after the death of Prophet Muhammed Islam was abused and it still is being abused today. I will always be an Iranian Kurd and Azari, and then a Muslim as do all others: ethnicity and common cultural ground ALWAYS comes first - history has shown us this...

This is the ideology that the Osmons used on the Kurd: Muslim brotherhood : to get the Kurds to help them fight...

Fool me once - shame on you, Fool me twice - shame on ME...

In case you did not know. Abraham, Muhammad, Jesus, Moses, Zoroaster, and Buddha are all incarnations of the same great spirit.

2000 B.C.E - Abraham
1500 B.C.E - Moses
1000 B.C.E - Zoroaster
500 B.C.E - Buddha
0 B.C.E - Jesus
500 C.E. - Muhammad

These dates are definitely not accurate, but nearly every 500 years a great prophet is born. So have you noticed the pattern yet?

Oh yes and here is another one.

1500 C.E. - The first Guru of Sihkism
2000 C.E. - The return of Christ.

I have no idea as to whom was around during 1000 C.E. It could have been a Native American prophet or the first true philosopher of the age of reason..

And oh yes... every faith made by this same spirit has been abused greatly by the stupidity of his followers.

Jesus created Gnosticism, which later became Orthodox christianity from mixing Gnosticism with the Cult of Isis and Mithraism together under the institution of the Roman Empire to preserve the dominion from being driven apart by drifting differences and influences sweeping across the decaying worldly power.

I think with Muhammad he had probably wanted a unity between divine appointment and great leadership from the people. A unity between the Shi'a and the Sunni as of which would be made under a Constitutional Monarchy with a hereditary descendence of kings from Muhammad that asserted ceremonial powers and a powerful parliament with a prime minister associating to Sunni principles. If his followers had known of that then there wouldn't have been this big split that created Sunni and Shiite Islam.

[K4L_2007]

Turkish-Kurdish brotherhood is not limited to Turkey. Turkey, living in peace and democracy, is the greatest guarantee for Iraqi Kurds to live in peace and democracy. Iraqi Kurds gained their present autonomy thanks to Turkey’s support. The greatest guarantee for the Kurds of Iraq to reinforce their current autonomy is the friendship of the brother country, Turkey. The mutual interest of Turkey and the Kurds of Iraq is the Turkey - Iraq border to become a bridge for brotherhood, friendship, cooperation, and prosperity. The United States might have granted Iraqi Kurds their current freedom by toppling the Saddam dictatorship. However, the US could easily turn its back on the Kurds of Iraq if its interests call for, as witnessed by recent history. It is naive to believe that closeness to the US, which is at the focus of a growing hostility not only among Muslims, but all conscientious people of the world is to the benefit of Iraqi Kurds.

Turks and Kurds are brothers with a common fate. If they cooperate, they can help establish peace, stability, and freedom in the region. News about Turkey and Iraqi Kurds having agreed to cooperate against the PKK curse (see Sabah daily, July 30) is a light of hope for the region in its current darkness.

What the hell are you talking about? Autonomy thanks to Turkey? OMG, Do you want me to laugh or do you want me to cry for this stupidity?
im not even going to finish this post because its a waste of time

Those who deny the death of the kurds from turkish army are disgracing them, its haram to defend someone who kills/rapes/tortures innocent people.

Ottoman empire would be nothing if it wasnt for kurds, see then they would have enemies surrounded by them from every way..

The kurds were stupid during the times of ottoman.. If they showed fierce, we would be independent today.. The turks knew that we were soft on them and they took advantage of it. But why battle other lands for nothing, not even for their own empire?? (greek/assyrian/armenian genocide??)

Im sorry if i ruined your thoughts in a brotherhood, but its disgracing when you think the kurds have it good, I can tell you, that we will NEVER have a brotherhood with turks.

[K4L_2007]

hahahahaahahha diri in the end you said it first talk shit and now you want to be a friend what a...

Cazyun - please speak with some respect... First you say I talk like an animal... And then you say I talk shit... I am not KABA like Turks... I don't speak like that to people...

And I never said anything about SchoolMaster as a PERSON... And it's not "now I want to be friends"...

I never was his enemy...

I have a couple of other friends too who are against Kurdistan... Doesn't mean that they are bad persons - just that they have bad policies...

Diri,
Don't worry about me. I'm adult enough. We don't sell friends for a garlic field. We're real friends and brothers.
I am personally for each nation has its country and language. But in the same time we must have a unity in Islam. Western people toy to swallow us.

Then why cant we have Turkey, and change its name to Kurdistan? How does that sound?, yep, as stupid as changing kurdistans name into turkey.

And you dont sell your friends over a garlic field, well ataturk sold his best friends, friends who fought for his own country, yup, he sold them over a dinner.

Western people toy to swallow us... hmm, Can someone please tell me which country it was who tried to get into EU? and by the way, what has western ever done to Turkey?? Its Turkey who has done to western, (greece)

[Balci]

Couldn't agree more with you K4L, We were to kind to the Turks under the Ottoman empire, and, we are still too kind, We should give them hell.

[K4L_2007]

hehe

Well, I wonder which alternative solves problems, war or politics?

They say violence solves nothing and they say politics are bullshit, but is that really true? Politics havent helped us much, if we werent fighting back, we would be exterminated

Quote = What is taken with violence should be taken back with violence..

Ask yourself, what has actually let these four countries have our lands in the past 80 years?? The world has always known, so why dont they do something, the evidence of ownership is there, we were there before turks, we have always stayed there, and we are still majority now.

It doesnt take 80 years to re-put a country.

But if we show them another side, a warrior side, where we show them that we are not warriors who will be offended by any land, and whoever opresses us shall be punished. Enough with the toying of our people, we want independence, do we have to remove them with violence to show them that?

I mean we have tried with politics and it didnt help, but a real war is maybe the key? Europe and united states dont care for kurds, western dont care for kurds, they see them as arabs/islamists

What help have they provided us? nothing, nobody is to be trusted (according to me), If nobody is going to help us, then we do it on our way.

I get irritated when im talking about the kurdish subject.

When Serbia removes the autonomy of the kosovo-albanians, and do exactly what turks do to kurds but while having it even better than kurds, then EU/NATO threatens serbia with bombings if they dont restore it.

What do they say to Turkey

Turkey harasses kurdish people - Stop, or you wont join EU

Turkey forbids the kurdish language - stop or you want join eu

Turkey will not admit kurdish existence - stop or you wont join eu

Turkey wants to execute PKK leader - stop or you wont join eu

Turkey will not go away from south kurdistan and kill kurds - stop or you wont join eu

I mean what the hell, can you please threaten them with something reasonable that will make them know their position? rather than not being on EU? No ofcourse not, not to a country in the center of the middle east, they just want their little europe to be completely perfect.

I get filled with rage and anger when I think about the double standards of morality of europe/us

Fine, dont bother caring for this war, but atleast dont stamp or freedom organisations as terrorists

[Balci]

Again, you are 100% right

War, is our only solution, I HATE war, but this time, war means our last resort,
Our politics can never brake through Turkish propaganda.

WE are the warrior people of west-Asia, and we have shown our true powers before, We will show them again, If we don't get USA's support, to hell with that, we manage just nice without them, our PKK peshmerges are inferior, equipment from the 50's, but we got something that the Turks doesnt have, Patriotism, Turkish nationalism is a myth, they have built their nation on Armenia's culture, our blood, and Greece and Kurdish land.

Our Patriotism is all what count, Turkey can't beat us, even with their state-of-art weapons. This time, we won't be too kind or forgivable.

[K4L_2007]

Again, you are 100% right

War, is our only solution, I HATE war, but this time, war means our last resort,
Our politics can never brake through Turkish propaganda.

WE are the warrior people of west-Asia, and we have shown our true powers before, We will show them again, If we don't get USA's support, to hell with that, we manage just nice without them, our PKK peshmerges are inferior, equipment from the 50's, but we got something that the Turks doesnt have, Patriotism, Turkish nationalism is a myth, they have built their nation on Armenia's culture, our blood, and Greece and Kurdish land.

Our Patriotism is all what count, Turkey can't beat us, even with their state-of-art weapons. This time, we won't be too kind or forgivable.

Yeah, our style is impetuous, our defence is impregnable and we are ferocious, we are the giants of the mountains, we are not spartans, spartans are us


Now i must go to sleep, thanks for the chat

[Balci]

You are welcome bro.

[Darkseid]

Again, you are 100% right

War, is our only solution, I HATE war, but this time, war means our last resort,
Our politics can never brake through Turkish propaganda.

WE are the warrior people of west-Asia, and we have shown our true powers before, We will show them again, If we don't get USA's support, to hell with that, we manage just nice without them, our PKK peshmerges are inferior, equipment from the 50's, but we got something that the Turks doesnt have, Patriotism, Turkish nationalism is a myth, they have built their nation on Armenia's culture, our blood, and Greece and Kurdish land.

Our Patriotism is all what count, Turkey can't beat us, even with their state-of-art weapons. This time, we won't be too kind or forgivable.

If you turn to people of Istanbul against the Turkish government and make there be a Civil War in Turkey, then it will be easier for the Kurds to obtain what they want.

Istanbul wants to remain secular. The Eastern Turks that live in Anatolia want to establish an Islamic State.

Have the two go at it and do what you can for the people that will assist you.

You don't have to go to war with all of Turkey, you just need to kick butt on those that won't allow you to achieve independence. Also with Greece on your side, I can bet that the United States will have a hard time trying to choose which side to go with.

Greece the country that has made Western Civilization or Turkey. I think most of Europe and the United States will side with Greece. If the Greeks are on the Kurd's side then certainly things will become much better for the Kurds with all that support.

[Balci]

Greece will always be our friends. Former Greek generals have had meetings with PKK some time ago, and made deals. And yeah, If we were able to split the people, we would have a GREAT advantage, we don't need to bother over fighting them, and we could concentrate on getting rid of Syria and Baath instead, Less fronts - Less casualties - more victory to us.

As I know, there are 2 groups in Turkey, The muslims that want to reform Turkey into a Islamic state as Iran, and those who want to hold religion away from the state, and keep the military at the power(Atatürkism), Am i right ?

Make them fight, and we got our Turkish part back, band together Iraqi Kurdistan and Turkish Kurdistan,

Northern Turkish Kurdistan > Syria
Southern Iraqi Kurdistan > Baath, Ansar al-Islam.

Then we help fellow minorities in Iran to take a revolution.

Adapt a Swiss government type, and we got our land. Greece got Cyprus back, and France don't need to care about Turkey's whining about EU.

[Darkseid]

Greece will always be our friends. Former Greek generals have had meetings with PKK some time ago, and made deals. And yeah, If we were able to split the people, we would have a GREAT advantage, we don't need to bother over fighting them, and we could concentrate on getting rid of Syria and Baath instead, Less fronts - Less casualties - more victory to us.

As I know, there are 2 groups in Turkey, The muslims that want to reform Turkey into a Islamic state as Iran, and those who want to hold religion away from the state, and keep the military at the power(Atatürkism), Am i right ?

Make them fight, and we got our Turkish part back, band together Iraqi Kurdistan and Turkish Kurdistan,

Northern Turkish Kurdistan > Syria
Southern Iraqi Kurdistan > Baath, Ansar al-Islam.

Then we help fellow minorities in Iran to take a revolution.

Adapt a Swiss government type, and we got our land. Greece got Cyprus back, and France don't need to care about Turkey's whining about EU.

LOL I think the Greek people of Cyprus want to remain independent of Greece. If you can work a deal between the Greek and Turks of Cyprus, then have them side with the Secular Turks and Greece, then you will have all of Cyprus with their Turkish inhabitants on your side.

But forming as many alliances as possible is a sure way of defeating all three powerhouses (I consider the Baaths of Iraq to be really a part of Syria, since Syria's government is controlled by Baaths).