Kurdish state, if the kurds were christians?

[Vladimir]

Do you think the Kurds would have their own state, if they were christians?
Here an interesting article from a Christian about the Kurds, sadly not all Americans think this way.

http://www.sullivan-county.com/immigration/e4a.htm

Anyway what do you guys think?

[kassem]

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[kassem]

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[arcan_dohuk]

BIJI KASSEM!

[Vladimir]

"Despite the fact that hundreds of thousands of Kurds have been gassed and slaughtered by Iraq, Syria and Turkey

Kurdish culture and language has periodically been "outlawed" in attempts to Arabize or Turkify

I support a strong Turco-American alliance. I always have. But the Turks are wrong on this matter.

While it is understandable that they're nervous about the potential problems, this does not give them the right to have a veto power over the plight of some thirty million long-oppressed and abused people."



Be glad he is for indepent state in South Kurdistan. You aren't even in favour of indepence in North Kurdistan as long you get more rights in the European Union.. -> Turkey.. (@ KASSEM)

[Diri]

Dear brother... I agree with MOST you are saying.. BUT - and it is a BIG but... America and Israel ARE our ONLY "friends" in the Middle East... Not GOOD friends - but still FRIENDS! They have been supporting us-- can't you read between the lines? Israel IS helping the Southern Kurds through descrèt interaction... And if an enemy of Northern Kurdistan is an Enemy of ALL of Kurdistan then Also a friend of South Kurdistan is a friend of ALL of Kurdistan...

It is a two way street - do denying it... I am NOT pleased with the way the US has been playing with us - and YES they must still REALIZE that we are ONE people... but this is something WE must work with... they won't believe it unless ALL our politicians are saying the same... PKK MUST NOT SAY "LETS PROTECT TURKEYS TERRITORIAL INTEGRETY"! AND TALABANI MUST NOT SAY:"LETS PROTECT TURKEYS TERRITORIAL INTEGRETY"!

THEY MUST STOP BEING SHEEP! ONLY WHEN THEY SINCERLY WANT A FREE KURDISTAN - WE CAN STAND BY EACHOTHERS SIDE...


AS for now the situation is PERFECT - If the Kurds of Southern Kurdistan anex Mosul, Kerkuk, Mexmûr, Shingar,Xaneqîn and Mandeli - THEN they should declare their independence! It will be NO use going to WAR to get those areas... THEN the US will be our REAL enemy--- now they are supporting us as long as we STAY to politics!!!

[kassem]

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[Diri]

look at it this way : they need something from the south kurds. they give them their hands. they need something from the east kurds, they will give them their hands.

they don't need anything from the north kurds : they fight them and contribute to their slaughter. they don't need anything from the west kurds : they fight them too.

does it sound like friends of kurds? I'm not so sure.

Politics dear brother Kassem... We must not bring our jealusy into this... be happy for the South/East/West Kurds... So they may be happy when North Kurds are liberated...

Besides - You are kind of wrong just drawing fats conclusions- we know not yet what it is that the west desires for Kurdistan - we only know what they desire FROM it - oil , oil and more oil....

[kassem]

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[Diri]

Okey... Kassem, Mehmet... My BROTHER...

Do you see it fair for me to ONLY talk about and defend East Kurdistan just because that is where I am from?
Well likewise I would LOVE for you to not ALWAYS take that type of aproach when it comes to West and North Kurdistan...

Why when you say:

because if they don't help the west and north kurds, it shows they don't help the kurds just because they like us...

Don't you also mention the east?

Biz ayrimcilikla hic bir yere varamayiz... Sende bunu biliyorsun- elbet... Zaten anlatmak istediyim o ki - biz kürt olmaliyiz, kürt dusunmeliyiz, kürt savunmaliyiz ve kürt konusmaliyiz... yoksa bir bakarsin arkamizda dusman cikar bizi birbirimize dusman eder--- Aynen simdi ki kendimizi bulunmakta oldumuz alanda... Ama sen ses ver dogü kürte ve güney kürte - oda sana ses versin... Ben senin sesinim ve sende benim sesimsin...

Arkadaslik dunyanin sonuna var, ama bizim kanimiz kökumuz ayni - hep de ayni olacak...

Make my voice loud and I will make yours heard across the seas...

[Vladimir]

O my god.. why are you posting in Turkish.

Devolll

[Diri]

Welatêmîr...


Misunderstand me right when I say: WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU BOY???


Turkish is a language and so is ARABIC AND PERSIAN... YOU can't condemn the language just because you condemn the state which it comes from... to be able to play the game in their court and being prepared is the most important thing in this struggle.. Kurds have no way they can demand their opressors to speak Kurdish - SO we must learn ALL their languages and HIT THEM WHERE IT HURTS...

I wrote in Turkish because it delighted me... care for a catfight? Lets take t outside... Lol - just joking dear brother... hmmm-- no but seriously - you must respect the language EVEN when the people speaking it suck...

[kassem]

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[pesh17]

Kassem heval.....I think you have a good heart. Keep it up. I would respond to all of your comments, but i am just to tired right now. All of you, especially diri, and kassem are having Healthy discussions. keep it up

silav

[Diri]

Hmmmm - Well my brother! I must say that I was enlightened by your post... Yes you must speak for yourself -and I for myself, clearly we have different point of views...

I am only saying that Kurds of the North musn't speak about Kurdistan as ONLY North and the South musn't only speak of South as Kurdistan... BUT I KNOW that some people Do - but we here don't.. THATS for sure... We only need to remind people of their attatchment to the other three parts...

On Kurdistan TV they actively PROMOTE ALL OF KURDISTAN... on ROJTAV they ONLY promote North Kurdistan - I think the only people that see and promote ALL of Kurdistan are the the West and East of Kurdistan - They are not as strong as their counterparts in the North and South and therefore want to be the glue that keeps it all together - Let me tell it to you like this: A greater Kurdistan would NOT be possible if it was only South and North Kurdistan - they are too different worlds apart... obviously the East and West ARE the glue - because in these parts there are many Kurmanchi and many Soranî speakers and also these people have a more - how do you say--- hmm... they are less discriminating towards the north and SOuth - because they don't need to do politics to get by... But the North and South MUST and DO take two different roads... so they seem to slide apart..


Only Kurdish natioanlism can save Kurdistan... Not a party and not a person... that is why I am saying bad things about the parties...