Armenians threaten Kurds in Lebanon...

[New Corduene]

Amigos and Amigas,

It's been a while since I was last here. Been very busy lately, but you guys were always in my heart.

To jump right to the point, I came across this very interesting article about Armenians threatening Kurds in Lebanon and giving them ultimatum to leave their homes simply because those Kurds participated in an anti-Bashar demonstration.

I'll leave you with the article itself and please share your thoughts.
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Armenian-Kurdish Dispute in Bourj Hammoud: Political or Criminal Reasons?
http://www.naharnet.com/stories/en/18922-armenian-kurdish-dispute-in-bourj-hammoud-political-or-criminal-reasons

A Kurdish official has said that the Armenian Tashnag party asked Syrian Kurds to leave several areas that have Armenian populations within Monday, warning them that they would pay LL3 million if they fail to abide by its orders.

The deputy head of the Kurdish Charity Mahmoud Siyala told al-Mustaqbal newspaper on Sunday that the Tashnag officials have given the Kurds the ultimatum to leave their houses in Bourj Hammoud, Dora and Nabaa by Monday for allegedly “drug use and acts that undermine public order.”

Al-Mustaqbal said there are around 8,000 Syrian Kurds in the three areas, hinting that the decision of the Armenian party came after they staged rallies against Syrian President Bashar Assad in Beirut.

But Tashnag MP Hagop Pakradounian told pan-Arab daily Asharq al-Awsat that the party’s decision has no political goal.

“All there is into it that these youths who have rented houses without contracts are bothering the residents and doing immoral things,” he said.

“The residents requested the party’s help after they signed a petition asking them (the Kurds) to leave the area,” Pakradounian said, stressing that “the Armenians have a history of struggle with the Kurds” against Turkey.

[thearabchildren]

Heyo comrade, good to see you.

As you can imagine (me knowing a lot of Lebanese, Armenians and Kurds), I had heard about this, and was quite shocked at the Tashnags "love" for the Syrian regime. Of course, it was not rooted in love for the Syrian dictatorship but bigotry:

Pakradounian said, stressing that “the Armenians have a history of struggle with the Kurds” against Turkey.

Armenian nationalists can never decide if they are going to pretend the Kurds and Armenians are part of a shared struggle against the Turks or are just more filthy Muslims who they hate. It is sad. Also, notice that (as always with such people, nationalists blinded by nationalism, I mean, not Armenians) they are willing to treat Kurds in a way that were Kurds to treat Armenians that way (regardless of the reason or location), they would naturally accuse Kurds of anti-Armenianism.

It does not help that for economic, historical, and demographic reasons, Kurds get less respect in Lebanese (or Syrian, of course, and lately it feels like Turkish) society than Armenians, even among so-called "progressives".

[New Corduene]

Heyo comrade, good to see you.

As you can imagine (me knowing a lot of Lebanese, Armenians and Kurds), I had heard about this, and was quite shocked at the Tashnags "love" for the Syrian regime. Of course, it was not rooted in love for the Syrian dictatorship but bigotry:

Pakradounian said, stressing that “the Armenians have a history of struggle with the Kurds” against Turkey.

Armenian nationalists can never decide if they are going to pretend the Kurds and Armenians are part of a shared struggle against the Turks or are just more filthy Muslims who they hate. It is sad. Also, notice that (as always with such people, nationalists blinded by nationalism, I mean, not Armenians) they are willing to treat Kurds in a way that were Kurds to treat Armenians that way (regardless of the reason or location), they would naturally accuse Kurds of anti-Armenianism.

It does not help that for economic, historical, and demographic reasons, Kurds get less respect in Lebanese (or Syrian, of course, and lately it feels like Turkish) society than Armenians, even among so-called "progressives".

HOMBRE..! Hola.

You hit the nail on the head!

It's true that Kurds are treated in a much worse way compared to Armenians in Lebanon. If I'm not mistaken, Armenians are recognized in the constitution and have the right to form political parties whilst Kurds don't have any of these rights.

Here I give you a link in order to understand the Kurds in Lebanon in a much better way. It is a somewhat old study which was made about a decade ago, but still it is invaluable. Please take the time to read it;

The Kurds in Lebanon: a social and historical overview
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0SBL/is_16/ai_n13807710/

[jjmuneer]

Why are we Kurds even in Lebanon? Who would want to live there?

[Kurdistano]

something about the Tashnak party. A Member of this party is Garnik Asatrian who is known for his controversial claims, Dimli(Zaza), Lak, and Yazidis being not Kurds. And calling Mehrdad Izady a stupid man.

[thearabchildren]

Why are we Kurds even in Lebanon? Who would want to live there?

Hahaha! Awesome.

If I'm not mistaken, Armenians are recognized in the constitution and have the right to form political parties whilst Kurds don't have any of these rights.

The deal is this: Kurds are (in their majority) among the groups purposefully kept from citizenship at all costs. Two Armenian sects are recognised in the sectarian circus that is Lebanese constitutional law. Kurds don't really have any sects, and it wouldn't matter, as they (like Palestinians) are viewed as perpetual outsiders by Lebanese society, whereas Armenians are only outsiders from Arab-ness, not Lebanese-ness. They are something of a "welcome" minority and different Armenian parties are involved in March 8 and March 14 coalitions (unlike both Kurds and Palestinians).

[thearabchildren]

PS: Reading Meho's overview of the situation in the Cedar Republic.

[jjmuneer]

something about the Tashnak party. A Member of this party is Garnik Asatrian who is known for his controversial claims, Dimli(Zaza), Lak, and Yazidis being not Kurds. And calling Mehrdad Izady a stupid man.

We Faylees(lakis) are Kurds, he can f*** off for all I care. These people can shut their filthy mouths.

[Kurdistano]

something about the Tashnak party. A Member of this party is Garnik Asatrian who is known for his controversial claims, Dimli(Zaza), Lak, and Yazidis being not Kurds. And calling Mehrdad Izady a stupid man.

We Faylees(lakis) are Kurds, he can f*** off for all I care. These people can shut their filthy mouths.

He and his article on Iranica was the reason why so long and still in WIkipedia Dimli are described as Iranian people. He is an Armenian from Iran.

[Azamat]

Dashnaktsutsyun: the very same supremacist organization that attacked Kurdish villages during the 19th century's end(they even at times collaborated with Turks against us, how unimaginable that may seem) and slaughtered Kurds during the Russian conquests along with their Russian overlords. Why even bother engaging in a civilized dialogue with them? We would be degrading ourselves to their low-level. Dashnaktsutsyun was once the ultimate embodiment of (sub)human savagery(opposed to the most sublime image of Armenian superiority they like to infest others with), and their members, with their pathetic anti-Kurdish campaigns, are unworthy of our solicitude. Apart from our obstruction of their activities, of course; the fact that an Armenian nationalist(Asatryan) has managed to penetrate into the core of Kurdish issues is shocking, and also sickening.

[Kurdistano]

If you read Garnik Asatrians article you will not understand a single sentence. In fact you will see how unscientific it is. The best part of it was where he wrote, the Armenians used to call the Dimli Kurd but not as a national term rather a ethno-cultural

However I managed to convince some Admins and could at least change some points on Wikipedia about the Dimli and Lak articles.

[thearabchildren]

The Kurds in Lebanon: a social and historical overviewhttp://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0SBL/is_16/ai_n13807710/

Comrade, read that, was saddened by how the treatment of Kurds in Lebanon resembles most of the rest of Lebanese rhetoric: Ill-informed and quasi-feudal.

Dashnaktsutsyun: the very same supremacist organization that attacked Kurdish villages during the 19th century's end(they even at times collaborated with Turks against us, how unimaginable that may seem) and slaughtered Kurds during the Russian conquests along with their Russian overlords.

I rarely take the Dashnaks seriously, as my Armenians comrades do not and they will never achieve power in Armenia without coalition with a party that isn't living in the 19th Century. Regardless, for historical purposes, I am gonna demand citations for the "even at times collaborated with Turks against us" stuff. Not because I don't believe you (my distrust of the ideological integrity of organisational structures of all kinds is well known), but because I need it as citations for inevitable future conversations with Armenians, Turks and Kurds. PM me if you fear this is tangential for this thread.

[Azamat]

http://books.google.nl/books?id=rY4BOts ... &q&f=false

Read this first: Go to page 55 and then to 58. Remember that the 'earlier offenses' refer to the activities of the Hamidiye regiments(collective Kurdish/Circassian/Laz/Turkish/Arab bandit corps), and we all know who are accountable for these(Ottomans). This invalidates any pretext for a 'vengeance attack'. Pages 157 to 159 are very informative aswell, and I believe these have already been posted here before.

[KurdishSoccer92]

In Lebanon, there are about 80,000 Kurds, mainly living in Beirut

[New Corduene]

In Lebanon, there are about 80,000 Kurds, mainly living in Beirut

No, there are more. The range is between 100,000 to 150,000 Kurds in Lebanon