Peshmerga

[unitedkurdistan]

@Rando agreed with you but it is not true that the Iraqi Army is more modern than the Peshmerga. The differences are minimal. Baghdad bought 15 F16 Jets but as a response to the reactions from Turkey and what is happening now with Maliki they dont want to sell anymore F16 to them. The Peshmerga based on weapons are on the same level as the Iraqi Army but who knows for how long? Baghdad will definitely arm themselves more thats why it sounds in my ears very stupid when someone says "Kurdistan doesnt need to buy Jets".

It is the US who are selling the Jets to them.

Iraq makes first payment in deal to buy 18 US F-16s


US and Iraqi officials say the purchase of the jets will provide the basis for Iraq's air sovereignty
BBC

Iraq has made the first payment in a deal to buy 18 US F-16 fighter jets worth a total of about $3bn (£1.9bn), the US state department has said.


The planes, which are not expected to be delivered until next year, are to protect the country's air space.

There are currently some 44,000 US troops in Iraq, which are due to leave by the end of this year.

US and Iraqi officials said the purchase of the jets would provide the basis for Iraq's air sovereignty.

"The air force is considered a vital factor to protect Iraq's sovereignty and security against external threats," Iraqi government spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh said.

"Iraq needs to build its air force and to depend on its own capabilities to defend the skies instead of asking other countries to do so - especially if we know that the US forces will leave at the end of this year."

Mr al-Dabbagh said $1.4bn has already been transferred as a partial payment.

http://kurdishglobe.net/display-article ... 261D639991 There's the site.

Another thing, while Iraq gets US weapons like m4, we get the weapons from saddam AK-47. The arabs gets the tanks from US, we get our tanks from Saddam. But still when Peshmerga were as weakest with no weapon support from Iran after a deal between iraq-iran, barzani fucked up 10 000 iraqi soldiers, that's how we got the autonomy. Iraqs chemical weapons factories are all blown up, destroyed. Still in case of a threat 5-8 Jets would be good to have. But we can only compare this with iraq, we have an good chance defeating them. But we can't compare ourself with Iran and Turkey. There is a big chance turkey gets involved in case of war with arabs.

[Kurdistano]

"The air force is considered a vital factor to protect Iraq's sovereignty and security against external threats," Iraqi government spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh said.

You know what officials said, is always different from what they really mean. Do you really believe those Jets will be used to protect the countries "sovereignty" against external threats or to build up Malikis armed powers? Why didnt they do anything when Turkey was attacking targets inside of Iraqs territory?

I know that the Arabs no matter Sunni or Shia will ever dare to attack Kurdistan without having a huge advantage, we saw it when they somehow tested their luck when Iraqi Army was on Kirkuks borders. As it almost came to a conflict the Iraqi Army moved back.

So now after you know Baghdad is going to arm its army up, you should also know how important Jets are for us and stop consequently trying to convince the people otherwise.

Turkey will not dare and is not allowed by international law to interfere in other countries inner problems. And the small risk that Turkey could interfere is also given when KRG doesnt buys Jets. Actually the risk is even bigger without Jets.

[thesunchild]

The only thing what Kurds need are guts. We must lose our fear. With our guerrilla tactics we could defeat every army in the world!

The Mujahedeens in Afghanistan defeated the Soviet army. Vietnam defeated the USA. SO it’s not impossible

[kurdistanis1]

"The air force is considered a vital factor to protect Iraq's sovereignty and security against external threats," Iraqi government spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh said.

You know what officials said, is always different from what they really mean. Do you really believe those Jets will be used to protect the countries "sovereignty" against external threats or to build up Malikis armed powers? Why didnt they do anything when Turkey was attacking targets inside of Iraqs territory?

I know that the Arabs no matter Sunni or Shia will ever dare to attack Kurdistan without having a huge advantage, we saw it when they somehow tested their luck when Iraqi Army was on Kirkuks borders. As it almost came to a conflict the Iraqi Army moved back.

So now after you know Baghdad is going to arm its army up, you should also know how important Jets are for us and stop consequently trying to convince the people otherwise.

Turkey will not dare and is not allowed by international law to interfere in other countries inner problems. And the small risk that Turkey could interfere is also given when KRG doesnt buys Jets. Actually the risk is even bigger without Jets.

No one has said jets are not important, you have serious reading problems dude. It's the fact that we don't even have pilots, that's what the problem is. Get over yourself.

[Kurdistano]

"The air force is considered a vital factor to protect Iraq's sovereignty and security against external threats," Iraqi government spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh said.

You know what officials said, is always different from what they really mean. Do you really believe those Jets will be used to protect the countries "sovereignty" against external threats or to build up Malikis armed powers? Why didnt they do anything when Turkey was attacking targets inside of Iraqs territory?

I know that the Arabs no matter Sunni or Shia will ever dare to attack Kurdistan without having a huge advantage, we saw it when they somehow tested their luck when Iraqi Army was on Kirkuks borders. As it almost came to a conflict the Iraqi Army moved back.

So now after you know Baghdad is going to arm its army up, you should also know how important Jets are for us and stop consequently trying to convince the people otherwise.

Turkey will not dare and is not allowed by international law to interfere in other countries inner problems. And the small risk that Turkey could interfere is also given when KRG doesnt buys Jets. Actually the risk is even bigger without Jets.

No one has said jets are not important, you have serious reading problems dude. It's the fact that we don't even have pilots, that's what the problem is. Get over yourself.

Stop being such a confusing individual. Are you trying to fool the whole Forum? It was you who said Jets are not necessary.

[unitedkurdistan]

"The air force is considered a vital factor to protect Iraq's sovereignty and security against external threats," Iraqi government spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh said.

You know what officials said, is always different from what they really mean. Do you really believe those Jets will be used to protect the countries "sovereignty" against external threats or to build up Malikis armed powers? Why didnt they do anything when Turkey was attacking targets inside of Iraqs territory?

Because iraq couldn't do anything.

I know that the Arabs no matter Sunni or Shia will ever dare to attack Kurdistan without having a huge advantage, we saw it when they somehow tested their luck when Iraqi Army was on Kirkuks borders. As it almost came to a conflict the Iraqi Army moved back.

Actully i think it's the opposite, the arabs has to much respect towards us. When US left Kirkuk, peshmerga tokk the airport, the arabs didn't do anything and US said thata all the airports would be handed over to teh iraqi army.

So now after you know Baghdad is going to arm its army up, you should also know how important Jets are for us and stop consequently trying to convince the people otherwise.

Jets will only work against arabs.

Turkey will not dare and is not allowed by international law to interfere in other countries inner problems. And the small risk that Turkey could interfere is also given when KRG doesnt buys Jets. Actually the risk is even bigger without Jets.

Turkey dares even if it's not allowed. Do you really think the world outsides gives a shit about us? WTF are you saying. the more jets, the more we arm up ourself the more tension will be between KRG and turkey! Turkey will feel threaten. Just look at Kirkuk how kerdogan interfared.

[unitedkurdistan]

[quote="Kurdistano"]Unitedkurdistan and Kurdistanis1, you guys shouldnt put most of your efforts on this Forum in trying to convince Kurds to be against arming themselves by buying new Jets.

Something else. Just recently Maliki said in a statement in response to the Diyala issue, "Autonomy is something imposed on us from foreign powers" now make your own mind what he tried to say with this and than tell me its too early to buy weapons. You have to be either a Gorran/KIU follower or stupid to believe Kurds would make better in not arming themselves.[/quot

I'm not against arming up the army but with teh money we have now is just foolish and stupid. Not possible. As long teh arabs refuses to pay peshmerga, we can't do anything like getting an airforce. While KRG has an budget about less 12 billion something, some people in here wants us to put money on airforce. I'm an komala follower.1

[Kurdistano]

We got so many very hot topics.

"Deadly Turkish Air Raid Strikes Kurds ."
" Turkish fury as French MPs back Armenia genocide bill"
"How kurdistan lost the freedom?"


Out of all of them you come ONLY to repeat the same crap what was already refuted many times?

It doesnt seem to interest you that 35 Kurds were killed in an air strike, It also seems to not interest you to know or share your own version of how Kurds lost their freedom. It seems you aint that "UnitedKurdistan" as you want us to make believe. I even go that far to say you are acting here under wrong flag. If you are that "intelligent " to believe Kurds would let their mind be manipulated by some simple words than you are even less intelligent as you sound. And this is my last response to you. Its always suspicious when when a User tries to be "more" Kurdish by using ultra national nicknames but at the same time has some very weird and different opinions from the rest of the Forums.

It also doesnt surprises me how you and Kurdistanis1(another pariotic nickname with different opinions about Kurdish leaders and the Peshmerga) always argued one after another. And so some other Users know my feelings usually dont fool me. And you two guys are very suspecious. Kurdistanis1 less than "UnitedKurdistan".

[ideas]

This argument is pointless. Of course we need an air-force, but you all seem to miss one very important factor, lets for the sake of argument say that the KRG can afford some fighter jets, and a certain country is willing to sell them, how are we going to deliver these jets to the landlocked south Kurdistan?

[Kurdistano]

This argument is pointless. Of course we need an air-force, but you all seem to miss one very important factor, lets for the sake of argument say that the KRG can afford some fighter jets, and a certain country is willing to sell them, how are we going to deliver these jets to the landlocked south Kurdistan?

How does Armenia gets Jets inside its landlocked borders? Its possible if the sellers deliver it I think.

[ideas]

This argument is pointless. Of course we need an air-force, but you all seem to miss one very important factor, lets for the sake of argument say that the KRG can afford some fighter jets, and a certain country is willing to sell them, how are we going to deliver these jets to the landlocked south Kurdistan?

How does Armenia gets Jets inside its landlocked borders? Its possible if the sellers deliver it I think.

Armenia is not surrounded by enemies, Iran is quite friendly towards Armenia. Before 2008 Georgia allowed Russian forces to enter Armenia via their soil, and I assume that's how Armenia got their jets, via Georgia.

[kurdistanis1]

We got so many very hot topics.

"Deadly Turkish Air Raid Strikes Kurds ."
" Turkish fury as French MPs back Armenia genocide bill"
"How kurdistan lost the freedom?"


Out of all of them you come ONLY to repeat the same crap what was already refuted many times?

It doesnt seem to interest you that 35 Kurds were killed in an air strike, It also seems to not interest you to know or share your own version of how Kurds lost their freedom. It seems you aint that "UnitedKurdistan" as you want us to make believe. I even go that far to say you are acting here under wrong flag. If you are that "intelligent " to believe Kurds would let their mind be manipulated by some simple words than you are even less intelligent as you sound. And this is my last response to you. Its always suspicious when when a User tries to be "more" Kurdish by using ultra national nicknames but at the same time has some very weird and different opinions from the rest of the Forums.

It also doesnt surprises me how you and Kurdistanis1(another pariotic nickname with different opinions about Kurdish leaders and the Peshmerga) always argued one after another. And so some other Users know my feelings usually dont fool me. And you two guys are very suspecious. Kurdistanis1 less than "UnitedKurdistan".

You're one delusional person.

[alan131210]

KRG does need jets and maintaining it will be a piece of cake , if Bangladesh can do i am sure KRG can too .

[Rando]

KRG does need jets and maintaining it will be a piece of cake , if Bangladesh can do i am sure KRG can too .

yes,and even ethopia even have jets. and they even have modern 4th generation jets,and their budget is only 450mil.
they have mig-21,mig-21,su-25 and su-27,and some other transport aircraft. (the su-27 is 4th gen aircraft).
if they can have all of that for only 450mil,we should be able to have quite an air force too for 10bil.
but how do u guys know the budget of peshmerga? i have searched for it a lot on the internet,and i didnt know how much it was until u guys posted it here.

[Kurdistano]

KRG does need jets and maintaining it will be a piece of cake , if Bangladesh can do i am sure KRG can too .

yes,and even ethopia even have jets. and they even have modern 4th generation jets,and their budget is only 450mil.
they have mig-21,mig-21,su-25 and su-27,and some other transport aircraft. (the su-27 is 4th gen aircraft).
if they can have all of that for only 450mil,we should be able to have quite an air force too for 10bil.
but how do u guys know the budget of peshmerga? i have searched for it a lot on the internet,and i didnt know how much it was until u guys posted it here.

The general budget of KRG is around 20bil. Only 2bil of it (10%) could be used for army at maximum for now.