Peshmerga

[sheytanElKebir]

so how much would all this stuff cost? (VERY roughly...)

1- infrastructure: $1750M
-upgrades to erbil/sulaymania airbases - $150M
-New Mountain airbase $1000M
-Dispersal runway construction - $200M
-Early Warning Radars / Weather Stations / EW stations / ELINT posts - $400M

2- Aircraft: $5Bn (approx)
14x SU35 - $1.3Bn
28x JF17 - $0.7Bn
14x SU39 - $0.4Bn
14x S314 - $0.4Bn
6x C130J - $0.36Bn
6x C295 - $0.15Bn
4x Erieye AEW - $0.3Bn
4x Beechcraft ELINT - $0.2bn
4x Beechcraft ISR - $0.2Bn
24 - M346 trainers - $0.6Bn
24 - S312 trainers - $0.35Bn
24 - Cessnas - $7M

3-Ordnance $1Bn

4- Training about $1Bn

5- Operating costs - $2Bn / year


So the "capital" cost is: $1.75+$5+$1+$1 = $8.75Bn

This initial expense won't be made in a single year, but spread over a 4 year period, making it more "digestable" for the budget. With initial expenses of about $4Bn in first year and $1.5Bn in subsequent years.
This is perfectly doable from Kurdistan's reserves alone, and should not affect its current accounts.

Operating cost per year is: $2Bn (including training, attrition, ordnance, fuel etc...).

[Azad1]

Now why did I choose JF17, SU25 and S314 as kurdistan's "dispersable" fighters?

You can fit them in a standard 40ft container! and they can take off from unprepared runways!

The SU-35s are too big for this. So they have to operate out of Kurdistan's "premier" fighter base. The nuclear bomb proof under-mountain airbase...

But how do you protect this airbase from enemy airpower? (especially the entrances and external runway sections?) by having lots of them! lots of entrances with "U" shaped entrances to protect from missile attacks. The runways will utilise piston powered catapult (like on aircraft carriers). On aircraft return they would land on a whole "maze" of external runways which are designed to be redundant against air attacks (too many to destroy). after landing, the SU-35 rapidly moves back into the mountain through one of a dozen or more entrances (or even via an elevator down into the ground). The landing aircraft are always "covered" by a plane in the air to protect it from enemy attacks, both against the vulnerable plane during the landing run, as well as the runway and entrance it chose.

Can the KRG as an autonomous region in northern Iraq purchase such material equipment?

[sheytanElKebir]

Can the KRG as an autonomous region in northern Iraq purchase such material equipment?

yes. Of course they can. I would say the major weakness in the buildup of the new Kurdish Military is the legacy of its old-school "guerilla leadership" who do not fully understand modern conventional warfare. The first thing for the Kurdish government to do is to create a cadre of modern military planners to build a new Kurdistan Military FROM SCRATCH. The "old school" leaders can be moved to be leaders of the one "mountain division" where their experience is most suitable. but the 3 "combined arms" divisions and the Kurdistan Air Force they should have nothing to do with.

[Rando]

Can the KRG as an autonomous region in northern Iraq purchase such material equipment?

yes. Of course they can. I would say the major weakness in the buildup of the new Kurdish Military is the legacy of its old-school "guerilla leadership" who do not fully understand modern conventional warfare. The first thing for the Kurdish government to do is to create a cadre of modern military planners to build a new Kurdistan Military FROM SCRATCH. The "old school" leaders can be moved to be leaders of the one "mountain division" where their experience is most suitable. but the 3 "combined arms" divisions and the Kurdistan Air Force they should have nothing to do with.

when do you think kurdistan will have the infrestucture and economy to buy any type of "modern" jets?

[sheytanElKebir]

when do you think kurdistan will have the infrestucture and economy to buy any type of "modern" jets?

Kurdistan should have started this process at least 2-3 years ago to be honest. The fact that they HAVEN'T is a major failure of leadership in KRG in my opinion!

[alan131210]

when do you think kurdistan will have the infrestucture and economy to buy any type of "modern" jets?

Kurdistan should have started this process at least 2-3 years ago to be honest. The fact that they HAVEN'T is a major failure of leadership in KRG in my opinion!

they have started Shaytan there is an article in this thread about it , but no updates yet as far as i know .

[alan131210]

here is an interesting article , but it doesnt say what kind of jets/helis they are been trained on .

The administrations of the KDP and PUK have started to register people to the military forces in order to increase the number of regular military forces in line with the US officials. The officials planning to increase the 100 thousand pehmerga militias in the Kurdish region to 150 thousand are cooperating with the US and Israeli military officials concerning the modernization of the peshmerga forces. 30 Kurds are currently undergoing training to be pilots in Israel.

The organization of the training work is carried out by Masoud Barzani’s son Mansur Barzani. Also, almost 500 peshmergas that are the KDP and PUK members are trained by the US forces in order to be used in the acts of sabotage, assassination and acts against those who show resistance and the peshmergas who have undergone this special training are paid a monthly salary of 2 thousand dollars.

http://www.yorturkvakfi.com/english/mod ... nt&sid=100

[alan131210]

The KRG already has helicopters, and has been running pilot training for the past 3 years. KRG has been training in helo-medi care for the army and announced it a couple months ago.

KRBG Observation Squadron-Irbil Lt observation helicopters
KRBG Training Squadron-Sulaymaniyah IKARUS C 42
KRBG MedEvac Squadron?-Sulaymaniyah? Report of aero Medical capability being established

[alan131210]

Shaytan do u have any info on Barzani's order of 300 tanks from Bulgaria as SLC claims !! which they reckon they have blocked ! I mean they can't even legally do that since the constitution does say the regional guard forces have the right to arm itself up and buy military equipments and doesn't specify what kind or how heavy it should be ! .

[sheytanElKebir]

Bulgaria does not produce tanks.

They had 200 old T62s which they sold to Angola and Yemen, and they have about 300 old T72s in storage as reserve. It is possible that Barzani wanted to buy their "reserve" tanks. But these are all 30 year old tanks and of no effect against the militaries of Iraq, Turkey or Iran.

[alan131210]

Bulgaria does not produce tanks.

They had 200 old T62s which they sold to Angola and Yemen, and they have about 300 old T72s in storage as reserve. It is possible that Barzani wanted to buy their "reserve" tanks.

Well if they are restored they can do some damage ! And Pesh already operates these and well trained on them.

But these are all 30 year old tanks and of no effect against the militaries of Iraq, Turkey or Iran.

Please elaborate !

[Rando]

Bulgarias tanks are T-72M2,which can do some damage to iran,since iran use T-72M and T-72M1 (and also M-47,T-62,T-72Z).which the T-72M2 is superior to. however,iran operates them in far greater number. and iran also operate,alongside T-72M1 and T-72M,T-72S. which i believe is better than T-72M2.
so the tanks (T-72M2) can do some damage,but ultimatly they (iran) will win. (they also have air support)
But anyways,some new equipment would be good to have,as our best tank now is T-62.

[alan131210]

We have some M1 tanks along with bradleys left to Pesh as well , they are in Erbil , a photographer taken some photos of them AFTER the US complete withdrawal last year . As far as been operational or not, I'm not sure to be honest.

[Rando]

http://news.linktv.org/videos/mosaic-ne ... ?start=890
you guys should thank me. i used alot of time to find this on the internet
from the vid:

[alan131210]

http://news.linktv.org/videos/mosaic-news-050212?start=890
you guys should thank me. i used alot of time to find this on the internet
from the vid:

good video thanks .