Kurdistan needs united official Kurdish language

[jjmuneer]

Where are these linguistics then? How can you doubt a proffessor man?
So where does Hewrami come from then if not Pahliwani language? Are you saying this isn't true? Do you know Laki to comment on this lol? Trust me I understand Hewrami and even Zazaki much better than Sorani. Just look at it from a geographic perspective, we are clsoer to Guran tribes and Hewrami speakers than Soranis. Not only that are you also say then Sanjabi tribe don't speak Gurani langauge? Because if you know history of the Fayli Kurds, you would we actualyl split off from that tribe.

lo bremin i have posted 3 proffesors for you is it not enought . Yes maybe feyli kurds are geneticaly relative to hewrami and zazaki, but your language is now much more kurmanci and sorani like.

Mehrdad izady dont come with the influence dialects do on each other.

what does this zazaki song say if you understand better than sorani: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMXsD0kBjp4&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&hd=1   

(the first slow part is kurmanci)

You did show me three proffessors, but you showed no source
you just wrote

Prof. Jamal Nabaz say: North Kurmancî - Central Kurmancî (soranî) - South kurmancî (lek, kelhor, feyli) - Goranî/Zazakî
Prof. Amir Hassanpour: Kurmancî - Soranî - Hewramî - Kirmashanî
Abdul Rahman Zabihi (1920-1980): North - Central - South - Dimilkî/hewramî

Where are the actual sources?

Bro are you trying to kid me? That is not Zazaki, and no I don't understand it. Even if it was I doubt a Hewrami speaker would also understand it.

Again you failed to answer me questions.
So where does Hewrami come from then if not Pahliwani language?
Not only that are you also say then Sanjabi tribe don't speak Gurani langauge?
Wait what are you Kurmjanci?

[kurd-sthanam]

Where are the actual sources?

Bro are you trying to kid me? That is not Zazaki, and no I don't understand it. Even if it was I doubt a Hewrami speaker would also understand it.

Again you failed to answer me questions.
So where does Hewrami come from then if not Pahliwani language?
Not only that are you also say then Sanjabi tribe don't speak Gurani langauge?
Wait what are you Kurmjanci?

try go back to my post i wrote just like this: source: kurdish academy of language (website)

yes thats zazaki. and here is hewrami: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tn5LcL0yDFU&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&hd=1   

i dont know anything about pahlawi, that what i know is, that feyli is closer to kurmanci and sorani.

yes i am kurmancî.

[jjmuneer]

Where are the actual sources?

Bro are you trying to kid me? That is not Zazaki, and no I don't understand it. Even if it was I doubt a Hewrami speaker would also understand it.

Again you failed to answer me questions.
So where does Hewrami come from then if not Pahliwani language?
Not only that are you also say then Sanjabi tribe don't speak Gurani langauge?
Wait what are you Kurmjanci?

try go back to my post i wrote just like this: source: kurdish academy of language (website)

yes thats zazaki. and here is hewrami: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tn5LcL0yDFU&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&hd=1   

i dont know anything about pahlawi, that what i know is, that feyli is closer to kurmanci and sorani.

yes i am kurmancî.

Bro Feyli is a Pahlawi language, ask anyone here. Anyways I will check the source.

[jjmuneer]

There is no source.

So are you Kurmanji lol? Is that why you are trying to say we are more similar than Hewrami? I can barely udnerstand Sorani let alone Kurmjani.

[jjmuneer]

Tbh honest I don't think music videos are a good way of me trying to listen to the words. If you have a conversation then that would be much bertter.
I just don't understand you as a Kurmjani speaker can tell me that it is closer, lol you know you can barely understand Fayli lol.
Here is Feyli: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fx4rVR3JsHM
Just compare it with sorani and kurmanji then.
Here is kurmjani: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84kk-domYls
I can't understand most of it honestly, neither can my dad. My dad speaks both Fayli and Sorani, he says there are similarities but it is still diffcult to learn.

Here is more feyli to compare: Just compare it using your own ear, and if you have any sources then just tell me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Fb4P_6Ayoc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMRwe080idQ&feature=relmfu

[Johny English]

@jjmuneer

Can you understand this?

http://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/sdh/Mak_Perr

[jjmuneer]

@jjmuneer

Can you understand this?

http://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/sdh/Mak_Perr

No, but do you have a video of a conversation, because I can barely understand Fayli in text let alone Zazaki. The videos I posted, those are the dialects I speak. So you can compare them.

[jjmuneer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvxyDF2IOx4&feature=relmfu

[Johny English]

I self classify Laki, Fayli as a special sub group of the southern branch of Kurdish. The southern group splits itself for me to Kalhuri and Laki. Laki has maybe Hawrami and Persian influence.

[alan131210]

EK as a whole uses a lot of persian words well i cant blame them , loan words is different from been totally persinaized . anyways when they get some sort of autonomy they can clear the language easily like we did in SK .

[alan131210]

let me ask you all a Q , how do you all say "taking advantage" ! we Sorani in SK say "Qorix , Qorix karî" as (n.) we also say "ey qozêtewe" which is a (v.)

[jjmuneer]

I agree with both Johny and Alan.
Fayli/Laki does have Persian loanwords, but they are in no way dominant in our language. Its not Kirmanshahi lol.
Well Johny I have to disagree though, they may be "Persian influence", but that is really minor and insignifcant in my opinion, regardless of region. I don't know about other Fayli/Laki tribes, but we don't speak no persianized one. Even Soranis still use "Yani", which is Arabic word it means. I think though yeh it is a Gurani language, but not necassorily Hewrami, its in its own sub-set as you said. Just like that diagram shows.

[alan131210]

I agree with both Johny and Alan.
Fayli/Laki does have Persian loanwords, but they are in no way dominant in our language. Its not Kirmanshahi lol.
Well Johny I have to disagree though, they may be "Persian influence", but that is really minor and insignifcant in my opinion, regardless of region. I don't know about other Fayli/Laki tribes, but we don't speak no persianized one. Even Soranis still use "Yani", which is Arabic word it means. I think though yeh it is a Gurani language, but not necassorily Hewrami, its in its own sub-set as you said. Just like that diagram shows.

we now say "be wataî" which use to be "yani"

[kurd-sthanam]

let me ask you all a Q , how do you all say "taking advantage" ! we Sorani in SK say "Qorix , Qorix karî" as (n.) we also say "ey qozêtewe" which is a (v.)

in kurmanci we use "avantaj" for advantage

jê kar anîn / anîn hesêb = taking advantage
(hesab= arabic)

[kurd-sthanam]

No, but do you have a video of a conversation, because I can barely understand Fayli in text let alone Zazaki. The videos I posted, those are the dialects I speak. So you can compare them.

why? its not hard to learn.

Here let me write the first minute of this video, i dont understand the amateur comedians and the woman who speaks like arabic but he speaks clear: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Fb4P_6Ayoc

wextitan we xêr temaşewaneylî ezîz ye bernamey .... bernamey we feylî ke her rojelî cuma le seet 9ewe wexte baghdad le newroz tv peşawdê(?) û wexte ilam û kirmaşanede nêw nîmê şeb. rojê badê(?) carek tirek dubare edê. îme xwazîmin ey bernama....

and let me translate to kurmancî>

wexta/dema we bi xêr temaşewanên ezîz\hêja, yên bernameya ..... bernameya bi feylî ku her rojên înê li seet 9an va bi dema\wexta baghdad di newroz tv da ye û di dema ilam û kirmaşanêde neh nîvê şevê. roja din carek din dubare tê. em dixwazin ev bernama....

you see that feyli is closer to sorani and kurmanci and not hewrami and zazaki. i dont say not feyli are not pehlewi, i say that if feyli is pehlewi, than zazaki and hewrami are not pehlewi. you see our zazaki speaker agree, feyli is south kurdish and not in hewrami\zazaki category.

you can call kurmanci a feyli or soranî with a gramar highly similar to zazaki.