Info about civil war of of PUK and KDP

[dyaoko]

Hey friends, I want to know more about fight of KDP and PUK ,
at the time of their fight I was kid and I hardly even knew what a PUK and KDP was at all. and I am not a Southern Kurd. so I need to ask questions to know , please answer my questions if you can.

1 -first I want to know why the fight started ?
2- at which year the fight started ?
3- how many casualities this war had ?
4- how kurdish pesmergas could really admit to do the order of killing their own brothers ? (coudlnt they just simply say no i wont fight against my brother for your personal problem)

5- each of PUK and KDP ,asked who's help ? I heared one of them asked Turkey and the other asked Iraq or Iran to help them against the other one ..please make it clear.

6-how USA could make KDP and PUK stop their war ? what USA had that common kurdish ppl didnt have ?

7-at which year the fight ended ? at the time of agreement which one was stronger and was about to defeat the other ? (you know SOMTIMES I wish that USA hadnt made them to agree to ceasfire so one of them can defeat the other and at least we would have ONE UNITED Kurdish government)

8- How it is possible that a person like Mam Jalal that shows himselfs as a celever professional poltician waged his own suffered peopel another war and a civil war? a person like mam jalal who shows that much pragmacy and diplomacy and LOVE to Turkey. couldnt use those methods for barzani ?

stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid 1000 times stupid.

[kurdistani]

1 -first I want to know why the fight started ?

There are a number of reasons why the fighting started... The background to the civil war was the blockade that the Iraqi central government put on Kurdistan... This harsh economic helped lead to a competition for highly limited resources...
That aside the nature of Iraqi Kurdish politics was fragmented... The KDP adn PUK both had strong bases of support... The KDP had the edge due to the fact that it was the older party... it was more centralised adn dominated Bahidinan... Meanwhile, PUK showed well in the cities... however, Kirkuk a major PUK base was under Iraqi control... furthermore, PUK lost out to the Islamists in some rural areas..... (everyone knows Mem Jalal doesn't believe in God)
After the elections KDP and PUK had a roughly equal share of the vote in parliament... However, Massud Barzani won the race for president... However, Mem Jalal did not accept the result..... The two parties then set up the 50-50 administration... However, PUK accused KDP of Hogging Ibrahim Khalal taxes... In the end PUK launched a coup in Irbil... KDP was ejected and surronded in Slalhaddin... Only the Dohuk and Zakho branchs had any idea that PUK would attack... this was due to connections through a group of Turkish Kurdish exiles.... Those Peshmergas broke the seige in salahaddin.... but Irbil was under Kosrut Rasul how proved to be a popular governor...
2- at which year the fight started ?
late 1992 things started to heat up.....
3- how many casualities this war had ?
maybe 5,000? that is a pure guess
4- how kurdish pesmergas could really admit to do the order of killing their own brothers ? (coudlnt they just simply say no i wont fight against my brother for your personal problem)
One side is a jash........

5- each of PUK and KDP ,asked who's help ? I heared one of them asked Turkey and the other asked Iraq or Iran to help them against the other one ..please make it clear.
Turkey help KDP sometimes but it also help PUK as well......... especially against PKK
In 1996 PUK invited Iranian forces in.... They killed a number of KDP Iran activists.... In return KDP invited Saddam in with US blessing....
The thing was that PUK was under pressure from Iran... that was the only boarder they had.... KDP had Iran, Syria and Turkey.... Iran had been helping the Islamists... some when Iran wanted to go in PUK had to accept....
Meanwhile, the US was engaged in Bosnia... Turkey was in a crisis over the Islamist government... But the two were unhappy with Iranian expansion..... Thus... the US offered that Saddams troops could be used to eject the Iranians and get rid of the Iranian agents in Irbil... After the job was done the US would force the Iraqis out... thus... Kurdistan would be out of Iranian influence.......
6-how USA could make KDP and PUK stop their war ? what USA had that common kurdish ppl didnt have ?
The US gave the two money... out of Baghdads hands....

7-at which year the fight ended ? at the time of agreement which one was stronger and was about to defeat the other ? (you know SOMTIMES I wish that USA hadnt made them to agree to ceasfire so one of them can defeat the other and at least we would have ONE UNITED Kurdish government)

1998 the Washington accords were signed

8- How it is possible that a person like Mam Jalal that shows himselfs as a celever professional poltician waged his own suffered peopel another war and a civil war? a person like mam jalal who shows that much pragmacy and diplomacy and LOVE to Turkey. couldnt use those methods for barzani ?

Mem Jalal for all his faults... was forced into his position in the 1990s....

[dyaoko]

thank you so much , very usefull information for me and peoepl like me .

I would still like to know how Turkey- Iraq-Syria and Iran helpt PUK and KDP.

by your info, KDP had asked everybody's help against PUK.
and PUK had asked Iran and Turkey's.

I want to know how stupid a person can be .... i mean...couldnt Barzani undrestand when Iran-Syria Turkey and Iraq are helping him then there is something wrong ?
how a sheep can belive that a wolf would help him ...

it is a very sad story and it shows how Self-Lover kurdish leaders are...

today I was reading BBC's archive ...Ochalan was the same, when it came to his own life , he refused to dedicate it , (he was leader of a party and thousands of the kurdish youth died in his party...) he refused to talk about "Sensetive" Issues in the court , so he can save his life...and he accpeted thigns just to save his life....

the only kurdish leader that dedicated his life for kurdistan and made a Hero out of himself was Peshewa Qazi Mohammad ,while he could run away to russia ... but he willingly dedicate his life
the person that you see his picture in my avatar.peace be upon him .

[tomjez]

Qazi mohammed is the leader of the republic of mahabad right???

[Vladimir]

Yes

[kurdistani]

thank you so much , very usefull information for me and peoepl like me .

I would still like to know how Turkey- Iraq-Syria and Iran helpt PUK and KDP.

by your info, KDP had asked everybody's help against PUK.
and PUK had asked Iran and Turkey's.

I want to know how stupid a person can be .... i mean...couldnt Barzani undrestand when Iran-Syria Turkey and Iraq are helping him then there is something wrong ?
how a sheep can belive that a wolf would help him ...

it is a very sad story and it shows how Self-Lover kurdish leaders are...

today I was reading BBC's archive ...Ochalan was the same, when it came to his own life , he refused to dedicate it , (he was leader of a party and thousands of the kurdish youth died in his party...) he refused to talk about "Sensetive" Issues in the court , so he can save his life...and he accpeted thigns just to save his life....

the only kurdish leader that dedicated his life for kurdistan and made a Hero out of himself was Peshewa Qazi Mohammad ,while he could run away to russia ... but he willingly dedicate his life
the person that you see his picture in my avatar.peace be upon him .

KDP was not stupid... they got the US to put it in writing that once the KDP asked saddam to leave the US would force him... The point was that KDP feared that they would be chased out of Iraqi Kurdistan becasue the PUK was supported by Iran... Furthermore, there was a fear that Iranian agents would over run Kurdistan... they had already started killing Iranian Kurdish activists....
As for Turkish aid.. there was (and still is ) a military mission plus the turkish government funded the KDP and PUK administrations in return for cheap oil...

[bamerni]

i think even though now that puk and kdp still disagree with each others