Assyrian Chaldean?

[tomjez]

I know rumtatya won't like it

I work in a refugee law aid program in turkey. Today I interviewed a iraqi christian women (lived in bagdad). When I asked her what languages she spoke, she told me "chaldean".

I forgot to tell her "NO YOU BITCH, YOU DON'T EXIST", but I was interested...

[kurdistani]

I know rumtatya won't like it

I work in a refugee law aid program in turkey. Today I interviewed a iraqi christian women (lived in bagdad). When I asked her what languages she spoke, she told me "chaldean".

I forgot to tell her "NO YOU BITCH, YOU DON'T EXIST", but I was interested...

it is a dialect of Assyrian.....
The Chaldean nation is basically those Assyrians that adopted the Catholic faith..... in the mid 16th century

[Rumtaya]

it is a dialect of Assyrian.....
The Chaldean nation is basically those Assyrians that adopted the Catholic faith..... in the mid 16th century

oh haleluja a guy who know that chaldean isnt a nation only a donomination of a church god save you.


lool chaldean language hahah how does that sound
the stars from left go to right and the star right there up is a chaldan one and this is the chaldean dialect hahahahaha

ill kick this name out of the assyrian nation the same to the arameans if you heard about them lol my people are very funny at the next time there will be a kurdistan church and the assyrian members of it call theirselfs kurds hahah.

@tomjez my french friend i have showed you that chaldeans dont exist as nation so you know make this woman clear she just say amen to that what her church says.

and if you want to help assyrians tell her she is not chaldean in nation.

[tomjez]

Yeah that's right, she's a refugee, she lost everything and I should tell start brainwashing her . If you want come to Istanbul, you can make political education in our office

[kurdistani]

No offense... but if she believes she is of the chaldean then she is... its a democratic right.....

[Rumtaya]

if this people who call their self chaldeans study or studied all astrologie

ill accept that they call them selfs chaldean cause that would be their job like if i study for doctor i call my self doctor and i talk the doctor language.

[tomjez]

I'm not sure a single chaldean gives a f... about you accepting....

[kurdistani]

if this people who call their self chaldeans study or studied all astrologie

ill accept that they call them selfs chaldean cause that would be their job like if i study for doctor i call my self doctor and i talk the doctor language.

how can that be.....
The difference between a Chaldean and Assyrian is like that between a Serb and Croat....
Now I know that Chaldeans in Iraq were made by the Catholic church... but still... if they want to be regarded as a seperate nation it is their chioce... just like if Yezdi's want to be a seperate national group it is their chioce not ours....
denying Chaldeans is not going to make them closer to Assyrians.......

[Rumtaya]

if they want to be consider as chaldeans why do they claim to the nineveh plains?


werent the chaldeans from the south of iraq which is now pupoulatet by shias???

ill kick their ass i dont agree with the name chaldean for the nation.

chaldean,Nestorian,Syriac=ASSYRIANS basda!

[Rumtaya]

The Assyrians are a non-Arab, Semitic, and Christian people whose ancestral homeland includes parts of Iran, Iraq, Syria, and Turkey. They constitute some 3 to 5 percent of the Iraqi population although some estimates range up to 10 percent. The most oft-cited statistic is that there are 1.5 million Assyrians in Iraq with population centers in Baghdad, Mosul, and villages in northwest Iraq.

Assyrians trace their heritage to the ancient Assyrians and Mesopotamians who converted from Ashurism to Eastern Christianity in the three centuries after Christ. Iraqi Assyrians primarily belong to the Assyrian Church of the East and to the Chaldean Church (Catholic), the latter the result of a 1551 church schism when a segment of the Nestorian Assyrians adopted Catholicism. Catholic Assyrians are thus sometimes referred to as Assyro-Chaldeans and as Chaldeans. The patriarch of the Chaldean Catholic Church, Mar Raphael, has stated, however, that "Assyrian" is an ethnic identity, with the implication that "Chaldean" is a religious rather than an ethnic identity.
Religious factionalism has been a hindrance to those Assyrians who advocate an Assyrian national identity that transcends these cleavages, particularly the differences between those who belong to the Assyrian Church of the East and the Chaldean Catholic Church. Prior to the 1940s and 1950s, class divisions and tribal affiliations were quite strong among Assyrians and limited the ability of the community to unite in a more cohesive manner. Today, sectarian differences account for the fragmentation of the Assyrian community, a topic that is much discussed among Assyrian intellectuals and political activists.

The vernacular of Assyrians is neo-Aramaic, a language also referred to as neo-Syriac and Assyrian. It is a point of pride for Assyrians that they speak the language of Jesus.[3] Following the Islamization of Iraq in the seventh century C.E., Assyrians continued to live as Christians in the mountainous region between what is today the Turkish Republic and Iraq. For much of their history after the advent of Islam, the Assyrians were referred to as either "Syrians" or as part of the Nestorian millet, or religious community, a category officially recognized by the sultan in 1845. Unlike some other ethno-religious groups, the Assyrians were able to maintain an identity separate from that of the Arab-Muslim majority and resisted assimilation into the broader Muslim society.[4] Both their language and strong Christian identity fortified them in this regard. Indeed, Syriac Christianity has been a uniting force for Assyrians, particularly in the period before there was a collective Assyrian national consciousness.

Assyrians have long had to distinguish themselves as Assyrians rather than as "Arab Christians," the term of choice used by Arab nationalists who deny the existence of a distinct Assyrian identity. Indeed, there is not one member state of the Arab League that recognizes Assyrians as a distinct ethnic and cultural group. The Islamic Republic of Iran, incidentally, is the only Islamic country to recognize Assyrians officially and to allow for their participation as minorities in parliament.

Some Arab-American groups have imported this denial of Assyrian identity to the United States. In 2001, a coalition of Assyrian and Assyrian-Chaldean organizations, along with their Maronite counterparts, wrote to the Washington-based Arab-American Institute, to reprimand them for claiming that Assyrians were Arabs. In a terse letter signed by seven organizations and copied to the White House, they asked the Arab-American Institute "to cease and desist from portraying Assyrians and Maronites of past and present as Arabs, and from speaking on behalf of Assyrians and Maronites." In a press release of that same year, the Assyrian International News Agency wrote that the Arab-American Institute's "perpetuation of Arabist ideology represents an egregious, willful, and deliberate mischaracterization of Assyrian identity." They likewise pointed out that Arab nationalist groups have wrongly included Assyrian-Americans in their head count of Arab Americans, in order to bolster their political clout in Washington.

[Mosul]

tojez i like your style, this assyrian is a christian arab nothing more

[tomjez]

I'm not saying that at all!!!!!!!! Assyrian are not arabs!!!!! That's another lie!

[Rumtaya]

tojez i like your style, this assyrian is a christian arab nothing more

your stamtment says alot about your thinking also your nickname here
you want to wipe out the assyrian name from iraq that your kurdish politican can take the whole assyrian land and make it at hermi kurdistan.

well maybe therell come some turks who pay you and you go genozid the assyrians like some of your forfathers used to do and wiped out the assyrians from the hakkari mountains.

good luck with it.

[Piling]

well maybe therell come some turks who pay you and you go genozid the assyrians like some of your forfathers used to do and wiped out the assyrians from the hakkari mountains.

The comic pick of the week I did not know that Brittons have "genozid" Assyrians... Just believed that in Nantes they have made African slaves trade....

btw this eternal moarning of victims' grand-grand sons is dull... Have you got no other ambition to be a "poor genocided Assyrian" ? If you want to make a "reconquista" of Assyrian Empire, well do like sionist, let organized a huge immigration... But until now, this mythologie of Great Assyria and Assyrian People is only a virtual country.

And I wondered always how you could be sure to descend from Ancient Assyrians (did you make DNA analysis ?), as there is absolutely no historical nor scientific proof of that. The one thing you have in common is Aramaic language, but in Ancient Middle East evrybody spoke Aramaic which was the lingua franca. And until the 20th century, no Christians called himself Assyrian, only Suryani. And their neighbours called them Nabatean, or Aramean. Christians = Assyrians is a pure invention, like Kurds = Medes or Turks = Hittits. Just nationalist stuff !

[Rumtaya]

ehmmm oh the user mosul is briton i didnt know.


hey pilling this wasnt not for tomjez it was for mousl.

dont blame to my orgin there are proffesor who proofed that we are assyrians its sure that we arent like the assyrians before thats normal afterall 2500 years can happen many things.

i could have also medien/persien blood aramean blood hurrian blood cause assyrian used to mix and assimilate the people they conquerd.

hey dont talk the genozid as it is a litle thing if that wouldnt happen now there would be pretty much assyrian in this areas so please dont open the mouth so wide open.

we`ll take back what was and is ours.