Kurdistan forces are liberating Western Kurdistan

[RawandKurdistani]

Brother, please try to understand that we're worried for millions of kurds in west Kurdistan. Fact is that PYD has no support at all, and you expect them to handle, FSA, Turkey and even the US! And why do you keep splitting up kurds? There is no difference between a southern and a northern kurd. And remember that KRG leads the way for a greater Kurdistan, don't think they are selfish f*cks.

Did anyone expect PKK to handle Turkey, Syria, Iran, USA and EU? Brother, do not under estimate yourself. Do not underestimate other Kurds. Do not underestimate the power of other Kurdish parties. You see, this is what economical dependancy does to people. They lose faith in others who do not have the same support as themselves. And no, KRG does not lead the way for a greater Kurdistan. You might believe so, but I don't. Again, you can not impose your ideas on others. Not that I have anything against them leading the way for a greater Kurdistan, but they do not have the popular support for it. And why do you even want ONE party to lead the way for Kurdistan?

I never said there was a difference between Kurds from different parts. But it clear as light that the political systems are worlds apart.

Quite frankly, PKK have'nt achieved alot in the last 30 years. But that does'nt mean i don't admire them, cuz i do. But we have to face reality. Nationalism can blind us, but when PKK's up against most of the world, they won't achieve anything. I wish it would'nt to be like this, but truthfully it is. Just give me the pure truth here: Would the western world give support to PYD or KNC? This has nothing to do with which i prefer, it's just the truth.
KRG is'nt controlled by one party, most people prefer's them over other south Kurdistani parties (Like this forum has shown)

[Qonyeyi]

Quite frankly, PKK have'nt achieved alot in the last 30 years. But that does'nt mean i don't admire them, cuz i do. But we have to face reality. Nationalism can blind us, but when PKK's up against most of the world, they won't achieve anything. I wish it would'nt to be like this, but truthfully it is. Just give me the pure truth here: Would the western world give support to PYD or KNC? This has nothing to do with which i prefer, it's just the truth.
KRG is'nt controlled by one party, most people prefer's them over other south Kurdistani parties (Like this forum has shown)

Given their situation, they have achieved 10000 times what would have been expected. You only need to go 20 years back when Kurdish politicians and activists were killed on a daily basis. You only need to go 10 years back when Kurdish people were killed on a daily basis. You only need to go 10 years back when Kurdish was banned in every area of society ( I know this because I actually come from Turkey) . If you had asked Turkey for a Kurdish course in school they would have put you in prison and tortured you to death.

Nobody would ever have thought Kurds could open their own schools, courts and parliaments independant from any Turkish authority as we have seen with KCK. Nobody would ever have thought Kurds could win elections in 8 major Kurdish cities and control more than 50 districts despite the major election fauds and oppression of the Kurdish voters.

Now, these are just realities seen from the outside. When you look inwards, the Kurds are determined to live in freedom. You do not see or hear about this reality because it is frightening the shi* out of most world powers. Never in mans history have you seen this determination or will in any people. Especially when they stand against such forces as EU, USA and major Middle Eastern powers. Can you tell me one example in history which reminds of the NK? Creating independancy is not as difficult as you think. PKK could wage a total war, some million people would die and then UN would have to partition Turkey. This has been seen many times in history. What is difficult is to create independancy without the casualties. What is difficult is to create conditions so that the coming generations of Kurds and Turks do not clash with each other as seen in India-Pakistan, various African countries, Yugoslavia, Israel- Palestine, Sri Lanka, Thailand etc.

What PKK and the NK people are demanding ( human rights and autonomy) is not something unusual or utterly unrealistic. But why do you think so many nations are against it? PKK never denied international support. PKK has called for EU and USA to step up for a Kurdish solution. But they just do not want to. Why do you think? Just think for one second.

[RawandKurdistani]

Quite frankly, PKK have'nt achieved alot in the last 30 years. But that does'nt mean i don't admire them, cuz i do. But we have to face reality. Nationalism can blind us, but when PKK's up against most of the world, they won't achieve anything. I wish it would'nt to be like this, but truthfully it is. Just give me the pure truth here: Would the western world give support to PYD or KNC? This has nothing to do with which i prefer, it's just the truth.
KRG is'nt controlled by one party, most people prefer's them over other south Kurdistani parties (Like this forum has shown)

Given their situation, they have achieved 10000 times what would have been expected. You only need to go 20 years back when Kurdish politicians and activists were killed on a daily basis. You only need to go 10 years back when Kurdish people were killed on a daily basis. You only need to go 10 years back when Kurdish was banned in every area of society ( I know this because I actually come from Turkey) . If you had asked Turkey for a Kurdish course in school they would have put you in prison and tortured you to death.

Nobody would ever have thought Kurds could open their own schools, courts and parliaments independant from any Turkish authority as we have seen with KCK. Nobody would ever have thought Kurds could win elections in 8 major Kurdish cities and control more than 50 districts despite the major election fauds and oppression of the Kurdish voters.

Now, these are just realities seen from the outside. When you look inwards, the Kurds are determined to live in freedom. You do not see or hear about this reality because it is frightening the shi* out of most world powers. Never in mans history have you seen this determination or will in any people. Especially when they stand against such forces as EU, USA and major Middle Eastern powers. Can you tell me one example in history which reminds of the NK? Creating independancy is not as difficult as you think. PKK could wage a total war, some million people would die and then UN would have to partition Turkey. This has been seen many times in history. What is difficult is to create independancy without the casualties. What is difficult is to create conditions so that the coming generations of Kurds and Turks do not clash with each other as seen in India-Pakistan, various African countries, Yugoslavia, Israel- Palestine, Sri Lanka, Thailand etc.

What PKK and the NK people are demanding ( human rights and autonomy) is not something unusual or utterly unrealistic. But why do you think so many nations are against it? PKK never denied international support. PKK has called for EU and USA to step up for a Kurdish solution. But they just do not want to. Why do you think? Just think for one second.

You mean your from the turkish occupied northern Kurdistan right?
Your correct, PKK did achieve rights for kurds, but our land is still in the hands of the mongols. Their flag is still hanging at the border between south and north Kurdistan, and even with 30 years, there is still no autonomy. Now i don't blame them, obviously it's a hard mission to free our lands.
And of course i know that PKK would'nt mind western support (Who would!) But when it's not coming, you have to look for other alternatives. And in this case we need a faction in west Kurdistan, that gets the support of the west.

[Qonyeyi]

Actually I am from Turkey lol. Konya, look it up.

I think we agree. But again, if PKK gives in to international pressure like that, then what is the reason for the struggle? If the western international community can not even accept WK and NK autonomy and rights, then what legitimicy do western support and community have? How can they declare themselves as '' democracy and human rights fighters'' and not allow for Kurdish autonomy ( regardless of PKK rule or not)? Kurds need to realize that this is all a political game, and Kurds will play it best by not letting in to this. And I hope Kurds in WK will choose not to. But again, it is their decission to make, not ours. They must choose whether they want to lose their honour and their year long fight by giving in to international ''so-called'' support and conditions. OR if they want to play their own game and be dependant on themselves and other Kurds.

Beside, I urge you to watch this documentary on ROJ TV they sometime air. It shows how, in the 90's, PKK had talks with USA. USA was willing to create Kurdistan in Turkey, if only PKK would accept their terms. One of these terms was to stop their ideology-spreading to other parts of Middle East. USA was basically willing to give NK independancy if PKK would stop their political activity. I have not been able to find the documentary, but I know ROJ TV/Sterk TV air it a couple of times a year.

[Cewlik]

It is merely for economical interests that KRG is surviving.

Dont talk like the PKK could survive without money. Every state or party need money. But of course you need also the support of the people, and the KRG has both. And the KRG is a government that would also exist without the KDP, it would be just under the control of a other party.

But the PKK will not survive, because PKKs survival is tied to the existence of Öcalan and the weakness of the opposition in nortrh Kurdistan. But that will not go on forever, Öcalan will not exist for ever, you also know that.

Nobody would ever have thought Kurds could open their own schools, courts and parliaments independant from any Turkish authority as we have seen with KCK.

That is just your illusion, the KCK is nothink the PKK dont control any region of north Kurdistan, only some mountains without population.

[RawandKurdistani]

Actually I am from Turkey lol. Konya, look it up.

I think we agree. But again, if PKK gives in to international pressure like that, then what is the reason for the struggle? If the western international community can not even accept WK and NK autonomy and rights, then what legitimicy do western support and community have? How can they declare themselves as '' democracy and human rights fighters'' and not allow for Kurdish autonomy ( regardless of PKK rule or not)? Kurds need to realize that this is all a political game, and Kurds will play it best by not letting in to this. And I hope Kurds in WK will choose not to. But again, it is their decission to make, not ours. They must choose whether they want to lose their honour and their year long fight by giving in to international ''so-called'' support and conditions. OR if they want to play their own game and be dependant on themselves and other Kurds.

Beside, I urge you to watch this documentary on ROJ TV they sometime air. It shows how, in the 90's, PKK had talks with USA. USA was willing to create Kurdistan in Turkey, if only PKK would accept their terms. One of these terms was to stop their ideology-spreading to other parts of Middle East. USA was basically willing to give NK independancy if PKK would stop their political activity. I have not been able to find the documentary, but I know ROJ TV/Sterk TV air it a couple of times a year.

If your from Konya, then your ancestors gotta have originated from somewhere in north Kurdistan.
It is a possibility that the US would'nt mind an independent Kurdistan, but they won't betray their ally Turkey for us. I don't think PKK and PJak should stop the struggle in north and east Kurdistan. But west Kurdistan now has a chance for international support, should we just skip that? The kurds living there are gonna pay for it.

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Syrian rebels clashed with Kurdish militia in the northern city of Aleppo, leaving 30 dead and some 200 captured, a watchdog said Saturday, sparking fears of a new front in an already fractured country.

The fighting between armed rebels and members of the Kurdish Democratic Union Party (PYD), the Syrian branch of the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK), erupted on Friday in the majority Kurdish neighborhood of Ashrafieh, it said.

"There were 30 people – Arabs and Kurds – killed in the fighting, including 22 combatants from both sides," the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said in a statement, adding that Ashrafieh is now under PYD militia control.
Scores of people were then captured, mostly by the rebels, the Observatory said.

"More than 200 people have been kidnapped," Observatory Director Rami Abdel Rahman told AFP. "Some 20 rebels were kidnapped by the PYD. The rest of the those kidnapped are Kurds."
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The area had been relatively free of the violence that has rattled Aleppo since fighting between regime forces and armed rebels erupted in the city on July 20.

But on Thursday, residents said some 200 rebels moved into the district, announcing they had come to spend the Eid al-Adha Muslim holidays, starting the next day, in the area.

"Snipers have set up in the buildings and 50 armed men, dressed in black and wearing headbands with Islamic slogans, entered a school near me. I heard them tell the residents: 'We are here to spend Eid with you'," one resident said soon after the rebel force arrived.

"I am waiting for things to calm down before leaving," he said.

The fighting came the next day – on Friday, coinciding with the first day of a truce between Syria's warring parties which has largely been ignored by all.

Syria's Kurdish minority has on the whole remained neutral during the country's civil war, which has sown divisions among the country's patchwork of ethnic and religious groups.

The conflict, which has pitted the army, security forces and pro-regime militias against rebel fighters since a revolt against Assad morphed into an armed insurgency, has left at least 35,000 people dead, according to the Observatory.

[Qonyeyi]

It is merely for economical interests that KRG is surviving.

Dont talk like the PKK could survive without money. Every state or party need money. But of course you need also the support of the people, and the KRG has both. And the KRG is a government that would also exist without the KDP, it would be just under the control of a other party.

But the PKK will not survive, because PKKs survival is tied to the existence of Öcalan and the weakness of the opposition in nortrh Kurdistan. But that will not go on forever, Öcalan will not exist for ever, you also know that.

Nobody would ever have thought Kurds could open their own schools, courts and parliaments independant from any Turkish authority as we have seen with KCK.

That is just your illusion, the KCK is nothink the PKK dont control any region of north Kurdistan, only some mountains without population.

PKK gets its money from the people. I can tell you right now a various of organisations and big company names that support PKK. Can you tell me for a fact that this country or that country supports PKK with money or political support? Can you say the same about KRG?

The PKK is the people. And the people control more than 50 districts and 8 major cities. What are you talking about? Do you want PKK to wage a total war? Are you really saying that you want a total war in NK? Your vision is cruel.

[Cewlik]

PKK gets its money from the people. I can tell you right now a various of organisations and big company names that support PKK. Can you tell me for a fact that this country or that country supports PKK with money or political support? Can you say the same about KRG?

The KRG have a successful economic policy, you not agree? PKK has not achieved much, they dont conrtol any region.

The PKK is the people. And the people control more than 50 districts and 8 major cities. What are you talking about? Do you want PKK to wage a total war? Are you really saying that you want a total war in NK? Your vision is cruel.

The PKK is Öcalan and Öcalan will not exist for ever.

[RawandKurdistani]

PKK gets its money from the people. I can tell you right now a various of organisations and big company names that support PKK. Can you tell me for a fact that this country or that country supports PKK with money or political support? Can you say the same about KRG?

The KRG have a successful economic policy, you not agree? PKK has not achieved much, they dont conrtol any region.

The PKK is the people. And the people control more than 50 districts and 8 major cities. What are you talking about? Do you want PKK to wage a total war? Are you really saying that you want a total war in NK? Your vision is cruel.

The PKK is Öcalan and Öcalan will not exist for ever.

Don't know why i just randomly comment, but i think PKK controls most of Hakkari province, or was that a made up story?

[Qonyeyi]

PKK gets its money from the people. I can tell you right now a various of organisations and big company names that support PKK. Can you tell me for a fact that this country or that country supports PKK with money or political support? Can you say the same about KRG?

The KRG have a successful economic policy, you not agree? PKK has not achieved much, they dont conrtol any region.

The PKK is the people. And the people control more than 50 districts and 8 major cities. What are you talking about? Do you want PKK to wage a total war? Are you really saying that you want a total war in NK? Your vision is cruel.

The PKK is Öcalan and Öcalan will not exist for ever.

Don't know why i just randomly comment, but i think PKK controls most of Hakkari province, or was that a made up story?

Heval, just turn on Sterk TV and you will see PKK in LIVE TV walking around in Colemerg ( Hakkari). Search for videos on Youtube and GerilaTv. They walk freely both in town, villages and mountains both in and around Colemerg. Do not listen to Cewliki's Turkish lies. Just see for yourself. Like Karayilan said '' If PKK is not controlling Colemerg, then let the media take a picture with Erdogan in Colemerg like they did last year ( refering to a picture where Erdogan is standing on a stretegic point in Colemerg)''. Why do you think Turkey has to get their soldiers in and out by air force ( there is a thread about it on here)?

[RawandKurdistani]

The PKK is the people. And the people control more than 50 districts and 8 major cities. What are you talking about? Do you want PKK to wage a total war? Are you really saying that you want a total war in NK? Your vision is cruel.

The PKK is Öcalan and Öcalan will not exist for ever.[/quote]

Don't know why i just randomly comment, but i think PKK controls most of Hakkari province, or was that a made up story?[/quote]

Heval, just turn on Sterk TV and you will see PKK in LIVE TV walking around in Colemerg ( Hakkari). Search for videos on Youtube and GerilaTv. They walk freely both in town, villages and mountains both in and around Colemerg. Do not listen to Cewliki's Turkish lies. Just see for yourself. Like Karayilan said '' If PKK is not controlling Colemerg, then let the media take a picture with Erdogan in Colemerg like they did last year ( refering to a picture where Erdogan is standing on a stretegic point in Colemerg)''. Why do you think Turkey has to get their soldiers in and out by air force ( there is a thread about it on here)?[/quote]

Sadly i don't seem to have that channel. But you should'nt insult Cewlik. We all have different opinions, but that does'nt make us less kurdish.

[Qonyeyi]

''Sadly i don't seem to have that channel. But you should'nt insult Cewlik. We all have different opinions, but that does'nt make us less kurdish.''

Well just look at GerilaTv and ROJ TV online. Or search for 'Gerilla Colemerg' on youtube.

Im not insulting him. Im just pointing out he's a liar. Only people who are denying that PKK controls Colemerg is Turkey... and obviously Cewlik LOL. Even international medias write that PKK controls areas in Colemerg. You tell me what that makes Cewlik...

[RawandKurdistani]

''Sadly i don't seem to have that channel. But you should'nt insult Cewlik. We all have different opinions, but that does'nt make us less kurdish.''

Well just look at GerilaTv and ROJ TV online. Or search for 'Gerilla Colemerg' on youtube.

Im not insulting him. Im just pointing out he's a liar. Only people who are denying that PKK controls Colemerg is Turkey... and obviously Cewlik LOL. Even international medias write that PKK controls areas in Colemerg. You tell me what that makes Cewlik...

Well he probably did'nt knew.

[Cewlik]

The PKK controlled only for few days a small part part of the Colemerg province. They already lost this control long time ago.