Talabani: Fighting Turkish government is insult to Kurds

[kurdistani]

Why would you call Azeris "turks"....Don't blame turkey for what iranian azeris do to kurds!!

If azeris are turks, kurds are farsi! If an Ouïghour commit a crime in China you will say "look what turks bastards do"???

And please: 5 PKK killed in a mountain, this is not a riot

Sometimes a few maoist or marxist guerilla are killed in Dersim, this does not create a "Maoïst riot" in Turkey.

Kurds from turkey are not "rioting". Only PKK, and it's weak. Or maybe I just missed the riots while travelling in Kurdistan. Too bad for me! 1 military control in 3 weeks (and it was close to syrian border)


But it's a good way to explain thing "Iran is not bad, what happens is because of turks"

Aleast in Uyrmia there are some Sunni Azeris (most likely assimated Kurds) that are with MHP...
As for the rest of the Ajam..... they are differnet to Turks in Turkey... BUT they still view the Kurds (not the Persians) as the other in there nationalism...........

[tomjez]

And I'm sorry, but a soldier's job is to kill insurgent. You can not blame turkey for killing PKK. You can blame it for human right abuses, assimilationism, oppression, mafia, corruption, violence, racism, everything you want. But no country can allow guerrilla on its territory.
If PKK send guerrilla in turkey, it is to fight. So they fight, and they get killed for nothing. I pity them, but if I was a turkish soldier I would shoot when I see a PKK soldier...

During the cease fire situation was much more peaceful. If PKK chose to break the cease fire in the middle of democratization, they are to be blamed!! If you break a cease fire and start mining kurdistan roads, killing soldiers and KURDS, you should expect a little retaliation.

I think it is why people make war. To kill eachother. A PKK militant CHOOSE to fight. Maybe he thinks it's not useless, but in any caser he KNOWS that turkish army wants to kill him. If PKK does not want to lose some soldiers, they should not send them in Turkey and keep them in irak playing volley ball to entertain journalists.

If PKK tries to put war on South kurdistan territory, PDK and UPK will kill them without remorse...

[tomjez]

Aleast in Uyrmia there are some Sunni Azeris (most likely assimated Kurds) that are with MHP...
As for the rest of the Ajam..... they are differnet to Turks in Turkey... BUT they still view the Kurds (not the Persians) as the other in there nationalism...........

OK some azeris are with MHP. Some Turkmens in Iraq as well, there are fascist everywhere.
I would be interesting to learn things about Azeri-Kurdish relationship in Iran. (neutral please, not propaganda)

[kurdistani]

Aleast in Uyrmia there are some Sunni Azeris (most likely assimated Kurds) that are with MHP...
As for the rest of the Ajam..... they are differnet to Turks in Turkey... BUT they still view the Kurds (not the Persians) as the other in there nationalism...........

OK some azeris are with MHP. Some Turkmens in Iraq as well, there are fascist everywhere.
I would be interesting to learn things about Azeri-Kurdish relationship in Iran. (neutral please, not propaganda)

Well..... The Azeri Kurdish relationship is historically not so hot... In 1979 in Negahada there was a Azeri-Kurdish war (note that those Azeris were assimilated Karapapa from southern Russia)... Futhermore, there is a fear in Azeri nationalism over the 'Kurdification of 'Azeribijan'... for example some Azeri nationalists even claim Mahabad.........
On a populatar level Azeris regard Kurds as uncooth and uncivilised... for example a friend of mine sends his children to school in Khoy... now Knoy was founded by Dimili Kurds but was soon Azeriisaed becasue the dominate traders were Turkish speakers... there his children are bullied becasue they are Kurdish...
Still some Leftist Azeris have good relations with the Kurds... many Azeris joined Komala in the late 1970s...
Still there is competition for land and resourse between Kurds and Azeris.... each are the 'other' in the others nationalism... (not the persian)

[dyaoko]

Why would you call Azeris "turks"....Don't blame turkey for what iranian azeris do to kurds!!

If azeris are turks, kurds are farsi! If an Ouïghour commit a crime in China you will say "look what turks bastards do"???

And please: 5 PKK killed in a mountain, this is not a riot


Kurds from turkey are not "rioting". Only PKK, and it's weak. Or maybe I just missed the riots while travelling in Kurdistan. Too bad for me! 1 military control in 3 weeks (and it was close to syrian border)
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Azerbaijan is name of a Place. Turks in Azerbaijan took their name from that land ... -it isnt like they are diffrent ppl and they named their land by their Ethnic Azeri-

Azerbaijan was "Azar Padegan" at frist , Azar means Fire in Kurdish
Padegan means where you save something .
Azar Padegan was the place that zoroasters saved the biggest fire . (you know zorosaterians respect fire and always keepp a fire alive)

and as you know Arabs donest have P and G . so they call Azarpadegan ---> Azar Bay Jan .

those ppl who live in that land been called Azeri by Shah . -to reduce the possibiliy of separtism among them and named them Azeri-
today in iranian azerbaijan, Turks themeslf call themself Turk.
and when you call them Azeri they dont like it.they say "you are working for government ?"

Don't blame turkey for what iranian azeris do to kurds!!

you are a smart Defender of Turks.
I remember I wrote a CAPTIAL wod --"PART OF"
I said PART OF the problem in mahabad is because of the tension between kurds and turks. and because Turks are shia , iran uses them to govern kurdish areas. [because turks are fierce about kurds]

I said that not to blame iranian kurds problem to Turkey/
i said it to say :
1- there is tension between kurds and turks and whereever Turks govern Kurds bad things happens -like in Mahabad-
the Sine's governor is not turk , and I never saw they drag bodies in the street to warn ppl...but turk govrnors do it in mahabad and other cities in north.
i heared many many rape to kurdish girls and boys in north by Turks and all of the those who torture kurds in the prisons are turk (this is what KDPI site says )

2- Problem in Iran is lower than Turkey...and turkey is much worse than Iran. because there is NO HIGHT ETHINIC PROBLEM between iranian and kurds iranians are not THAT MUCH racist ..but there is no such a hot ethnic tension between kurds and iranians....
thats why kurd dont take arm against iran ...because kurds everywhere always want to solve the problem in most peacefull way .

be sure if kurds in turkey had opportunity to solve the problem without gun they wouldnt took gun either...
-kurds in turkey several times offered ceasfire and offere dialoge...-

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Sometimes a few maoist or marxist guerilla are killed in Dersim, this does not create a "Maoïst riot" in Turkey.

Just Turks call Kurds -maoist or marxist- everybody knows PKK is not marxist anymore. and it is just to make propagenda in the world that they are maoist and communist.

I know Kurdish gurrilias, I know what they fight for , I know Kurdistan is the only thing that they love.
do you think a kurdish girl leaves her home and goes to mountain to fight to make a marxist Turkey ?

Tomtez , I dont know why you are doing this propagenda for Turkey.
I know emmunah said Turks have paid some ppl to do propagena for them in israeli forum....
NO NO I dont accuse you for that...but I wouldnt be surprised if i find out you are one of them.

you can not do that Mr Tomjet here . how the hell,. where in your ass you say kurds are maoist ? only a mother fucker turk calls Kurds Maoist and cheers for their Death.

those who took gun and fighted against one of the most powerfull armies of the world, just love kurdistan and they ttake arm because their heart is full of saddnes...may be her father been killed, her brother... her sistern been raped...her...

sigh.

[Piling]

Tomtez , I dont know why you are doing this propagenda for Turkey.
I know emmunah said Turks have paid some ppl to do propagena for them in israeli forum....
NO NO I dont accuse you for that...but I wouldnt be surprised if i find out you are one of them.

Don't be so paranoiac. I know the guy and he is not payed by Turks. But he lives in Turkey and likes both people.

And you have really a wrong view of Turkey, you never go to that country, you don't know it. Tukey is a complex country. An it is right that after 2000 the life is better for Kurds, Kurds in Turkey say it themselves, they know better than you ! And it is right that most Kurds don"t want a new war. They want to be in peace and enter on European Union.

[heval]

You should never sit there and settle for less than what is deserved. Make your comparison with the best countries and not with the worst.

[dyaoko]

You should never sit there and settle for less than what is deserved. Make your comparison with the best countries and not with the worst.

I never said we should settele for less, I just compared iran to turkey.
i just said as I am iranian kurd and I am here, I can say for sure iran is so much better than Turkey.

and everybody who thinks turkey is better is wrong -you know ppl think that Model of democracy Title is really true- but the truth is Turkey is even worse than mullahs for kurds.

[Rubar]

mam dollar can kiss my ass.[/quote]

Keke Can, is there no television where you are. Have you never seen movies that depict good cop bad cop tactics. Or heard of stroking twice and slapping once. We are a Nation in need of thinking leader knowledgeable leaders. One cannot be emotional and hot headed as you have demonstrated to be. One needs to be a good cop and bad cop and one needs to stroke where and when necessary and slap accordingly. I understand your reaction is purely emotional but you have to remember that politics is not for the emotional.

Upps, I almost forgot, do you show your hand in a poker game? Bluff.

[heval]

I am not going to sit here and compare the two countries and try to determine which one is the lesser of the two as you just did in your previous post.

[tomjez]

So far for the insults Dyako, when people start to insult it's because they have no ideas left...

But where did you see me talking about maoïst pkk. If you knew turkey a bit, you would have understood that my reference to Maoist in Dersim is not about PKK but about TIKKO (turkey workers and peasant revolutionnary army) and DHKPC (marxist)......... So up your ass (yeah I'm getting rude as well)

Funny one iranese friend of mine told me that Azeris hated being called turks because they fell much superior! (because of persian culture)

be sure if kurds in turkey had opportunity to solve the problem without gun they wouldnt took gun either...

These who try have problems with the PKK....but you're going to tell that PKK never executed "traitors". Let's be honest, there are 15 millions kurds in turkey and a few thousands PKK fighters...and PKK members who want to leave the party get killed.

kurds in turkey several times offered ceasfire and offere dialoge..

PKK IS NOT KURDS!!!!!!!!!!!! That's an insult to them. Dialog with PKK would not solve anything, all they want is öcalan's freedom, they don't care about people and Kurdistan.
Turkish government is dumb, because it refused a general amnisty. A lot of PKK members would have tried to flee the PKK, even knowing that they could be killed or put on the "black list".

[pepula]

i have for a long time critscised mam jalals actions in kuristani bashur. but i have learnt to believe that what may seem absurd at the time, is an intelligent political tactic.
i dont praise him, but since 11 years old, he's been political, and he is a pretty clever guy...