3 Kurdish women shot inside the Kurdish Institute of Paris

[Cewlik]

That’s why I don’t like French people and see them as enemies of Kurdish race. French intelligent services should prevent this kind of assassination.

Even if it was the fault of the government, you dont can blame the people for that.

3 Kurds are murdered, first we must know who did this terrorist attack, if the murderer comes from outside (Turkish racist or a agents) the PKK should respond to this attack.

[thesunchild]

That’s why I don’t like French people and see them as enemies of Kurdish race. French intelligent services should prevent this kind of assassination.

Even if it was the fault of the state, you dont can blame the people for that.

3 Kurds are murdered, first we must know who did this terrorist attack, if the murderer comes from outside (Turkish racist or a agent) the PKK should respond to this attack.

It’s a coward act against our women. The martyrs are FEMALES! The French intelligent services gave them a carte blanche to kill our WOMEN. Why do we let this Altaic Turkic subhuman kill our children and females and let them using chemical weapons against our Peshmerga in North Kurdistan?

French are anti-Israel & anti-Kuridstan and ARAB & Turkic loving disgusting people. French TOTAL oil company must get out Kurdistan, period!

[Piling]

It’s a coward act against our women. The martyrs are FEMALES! The French intelligent services gave them a carte blanche to kill our WOMEN. Why do we let this Altaic Turkic subhuman kill our children and females and let them using chemical weapons against our Peshmerga in North Kurdistan?

My God, what a delirium… I don't even believe it is Turkish State… Ergenekon, probably.

One of these women was a friend of François Hollande, asshole.

If we learn that some Kurdish double agents did that, what will you say about your Aryan race, idiot ?

[Fire]

It’s a coward act against our women. The martyrs are FEMALES! The French intelligent services gave them a carte blanche to kill our WOMEN. Why do we let this Altaic Turkic subhuman kill our children and females and let them using chemical weapons against our Peshmerga in North Kurdistan?

My God, what a delirium… I don't even believe it is Turkish State… Ergenekon, probably.

One of these women was a friend of François Hollande, asshole.

If we learn that some Kurdish double agents did that, what will you say about your Aryan race, idiot ?

So what do you wanna say? That it is possible that the PKK did it, like Turkish racist media tell it the whole day and Report about it like that?
Everybody knows that the subhuman Turks are behind this.

[Piling]

3 possibilities (out of unrational reactions ) f:

– Private crimes for any kind of motives (I don't believe a lot that, but many Kurds do)

– Internal fights between PKK factions ( but why doing that in Paris ? so the motive should be found)

– Actions of Turkish nationalists who are against the peace but NOT Turkish State or MIT ; that is nonsense, they have started the negotiations. More probably a hidden organization like Ergenekon. Did they act alone or with double agents. Were the killer some people the victims knew and for that reason they opened the door ? May be. It already happen before that some Kurds were approached to do such things.

But involving French state is absolutely unrealistic and I don't believe also that AKP is guilty. They rather to charge PKK than other Turks, but I don't find impossible than some elements within the PKK are working for fascist groups for money or other things.

Other elements now are revealed : there is some blood in the stairs so out of the CIK place. Forensic analysis will tell if that blood belongs to the victims or to the killer. Had Sakine Cansiz a gun with herself ? Did she try to defend her group ?

[Qonyeyi]

I see some Kurds have already fallen for the AKP ''PKK internal fighting'' propaganda. Given the fact that AKP media already from the very same hour started to call it an internal fighting, without any backing up of evidence, it is more than possible that this is the work of Turkish deep state. Just like they planted those mines that killed the 19-20 soldiers the other time there were talks.

[Anthea]

We may never know for certain who was behind this what people need to do is make sure that it does not happen in any other PKK connected organisations in other countries.

Many Kurdish community centres and information services worldwide are connected to the PKK. How safe will the people working there be now this has happened? There are bound to be repercussions



These 3 women did not deserve to die and it was obviously a well planned assassination.

[Piling]

Even Remzi Kartal said that it is not the Turkish government, and talked about 'some parties' which against the peace process.

[Qonyeyi]

Obviously it is some sort of party/group that is very well informed and well trained. We all know that. This is probably not the work of just one man/woman. But to say it is the work of internal PKK fractions... That is just silly given the fact that no one inside of PKK has urged for the negotiations to stop. In fact, all factions inside PKK urged for the negotiations to continue and supported it. On the other hand, parties like MHP ( who are very close to ultra right groups in Europe) were against the talks. And the turkish deep state probably would not want it too as we have seen in the past.

[Anthea]

Obviously it is some sort of party/group that is very well informed and well trained. We all know that. This is probably not the work of just one man/woman. But to say it is the work of internal PKK fractions... That is just silly given the fact that no one inside of PKK has urged for the negotiations to stop. In fact, all factions inside PKK urged for the negotiations to continue and supported it. On the other hand, parties like MHP ( who are very close to ultra right groups in Europe) were against the talks. And the turkish deep state probably would not want it too as we have seen in the past.

If the shootings were done by a PKK faction to silence people they would NOT have lost bodies, the ladies would have vanished.

Whoever killed these ladies wanted them to be found. If the killers just wanted to shot one or more of the ladies they why did they not target them in less secure places, perhaps travelling to or from the office. Shooting the ladies in their office was a great risk. How could they have known that nobody else was going to turn up? How did they know whether or not there was CCTV there?

[Piling]

Shooting the ladies in their office was a great risk. ?

Not a great risk. This office is a quiet place, isolated, just a flat in a private building.

How could they have known that nobody else was going to turn up?

Outside of the building, for entering in it you have an electronic lock. I don't know if you need or not the code during the day. But when you enter in the hall you have a second door (in glass) that is closed. For opening it, you have an income and you have to call people in the building for they open it for you, if they want or not.

So even if someone else came during the murder, he could not enter by himself. He would have waited and then gone. During the day in CIK it happens that the office is empty if the representative is outside. So the killer should have only waited a certain time for being sure that the visitors went out the building.

In any case we we know that no one except the BF of the young girl tried to enter at the end of the day. He could not open, for he had not the key. Then later the police opened the door at 2 h am by breaking it.

How did they know whether or not there was CCTV there

Everybody know that, Kurds and probably Turkish or French services. There have never had in that place. In fact it was just an information center and also Turkish State never tried to kill Kurdish activists in France. Kurds themselves did not think it could happen, for that reason the place was not secured.

[Nubahar]

turkey attacking everywhere. at the same time if you want peace .. and only one person is doing for peace talks.

[Zert]

Outside of the building, for entering in it you have an electronic lock. I don't know if you need or not the code during the day. But when you enter in the hall you have a second door (in glass) that is closed. For opening it, you have an income and you have to call people in the building for they open it for you, if they want or not.

So even if someone else came during the murder, he could not enter by himself. He would have waited and then gone. During the day in CIK it happens that the office is empty if the representative is outside. So the killer should have only waited a certain time for being sure that the visitors went out the building.

In any case we we know that no one except the BF of the young girl tried to enter at the end of the day. He could not open, for he had not the key. Then later the police opened the door at 2 h am by breaking it.

Piling, the second door must be opened electronic, since it's done via intercom, right? Is it in that case impossible to simply pick the lock?

If not, any person who has seen a lockpicking YT video could have entered the building.

[Piling]

If they are professional killers they could have opened any kind of door, I agree. Then they have to climb up until the 1st stair. Then ring at the door or entering in the CIK without permission. But that was a bit risky to enter by force. 2 windows of the office (which has 3 rooms) are on the street La Fayette (one of the busiest and more animated street in Paris) : it was easy for one of the women to shout and calling for help.

So the most probable is that they were shot by surprise, without calling and shouting. Did they let enter the killer(s) or not ? If not, the killers could not guess in which room the 3 women were. I mean: you enter in the main reception room, at your right side you have toilets and after the kitchen. At the left you have a small corridor, which opens on a small bathroom, and 2 rooms : a bedroom and another office (both of these rooms have a window on the street).

The rooms could have been changed between offices and bedroom functions since the last time I saw the place but the flat should be the same : 3 main rooms with 2 opening on a busy street, next to the Train Station (Gare du Nord), at the first floor (they could have even jumped by the window for fleeing it was not high).

I don;t know where were the 3 victims in the apartment (the same room ? in different room ?), but no one in the building have heard people crying or calling or trying to escape (as what we know for the moment) So the murderer is a professional who shot quickly, who knows the place (but it is not difficult to have a map).

The door was not broken and after the murder, the killer closed it and kept the key with him. So he did know where was the key (or he could have threatened the women and asked it but let's remember that Sakine was a fighter,a military commander, she could defend herself and the others, made noise, not let the guy doing the job quietly and given the key before he finished the work).

For all these reasons I think that the victims opened the door and let the killer(s) enter and close the door. Then they were shot by surprise. Perhaps they thought it was journalists, political contacts (CIK was mainly for foreign people) ; or they knew the killers and did not beware.
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I don't affirm that one thing is true or not. I know the place very well and some scenario are impossible and others possible if we only consider the place of the crime.

[unitedkurdistan]

That’s why I don’t like French people and see them as enemies of Kurdish race. French intelligent services should prevent this kind of assassination.

Why hate the people?
Should we also hate the austrian people for not being in place when Dr Qassemlou got assasinated?
It's the governments not the people.