Shameful response from BDP MPs to Ismail Besikci's speech

[Cewlik]

On Sunday (13.01.2013) a event was held to talk about the role of Kurdish leaders during the peace talks.

The Turkish scholar Ismail Besikci who participated at the event said:

"In my view, there are more than 50 million Kurds worldwide. And they have no country. Is that not injustice? And here also the BDP has its share. They say: We do not want independence. If you want no flag and no state, then something goes awry with you!"

The MPs of the BDP Gültan Kisanak, Ayla Akat, Emine Ayna and Sebahat Tuncel who also participated at the event just smiled during İsmail Besikci's speech.

The response of the BDP MP Sebahat Tuncel was:

"I do not agree with Mr. Besikci. The Kurdish movement rejects a Kurdish nation state not only for Kurds, but is completely against this concept... Bla bla bla."

http://www.nasname.com/tr/11782.html

[Piling]

If Öcalan order to BDP and PKK to become Turks they will agree and call themselves ' Mountain Turks'. So 30 years of war for what ?

But when Tuncel says

The Kurdish movement rejects a Kurdish nation state

he's wrong. HIS movement rejects that. He has no right to talk on the name of 'the Kurdish movement' as if they were alone.

[unitedkurdistan]

Cewlik, it seems that your hatred for PKK/BDP (the defenders of kurds and Kurdistan have grown so huge) that you are starting to belive in turkish sources and the worst part is that you spread it on a kurdish forum, are you a turk who wants to provoke disunity among kurds?

The next thing you are probably going to say is that Öcalan is ethnically armenian and he created PKK to use the kurds for his own armenian purpose.

Go and watch Hasip Kaplan's, Ahmet Turk's, Altan Tan's, Sirri Sakik's, Gultan Kisanik's, Pervin Buldan's, Demirta's etcetra speeches in the parliament and then come and tell us that they don't want a Kurdistan. BDP have proposed many times before that the kurds should atleast gain some kind of autonomy but it has always and will always be rejected by the facsists that's why we have something called the PKK that are fighting for the kurds and kurdistan.
I suggest you go to this channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/Voice4Kurds?feature=watch
and then hopefully you anti kurdishness will be gone.

[Anthea]

I do NOT believe anyone should be attacking Cewlik because all she has done is inform us as to what took place.

As for Ismail Beşikçi, he was there arguing for Kurdish rights long before most of those people were even born. His knowledge of Kurdish history and suffering is probably far greater than all the BDP politicians put together. People should listen to him more

[Piling]

Go and watch Hasip Kaplan's, Ahmet Turk's, Altan Tan's, Sirri Sakik's, Gultan Kisanik's, Pervin Buldan's, Demirta's etcetra speeches in the parliament and then come and tell us that they don't want a Kurdistan

They will say as PKK will order them to say : Nationalism is bad, capitalism is bad, Kurdish state is not a solution, etc. Just read all Qoneyî's posts (he is Dengê PKK) and you' ll have a look on all the current political line of PKK-Öcalan : Big confederation fir all the Middle-East with no Kurdish State.

[unitedkurdistan]

Go and watch Hasip Kaplan's, Ahmet Turk's, Altan Tan's, Sirri Sakik's, Gultan Kisanik's, Pervin Buldan's, Demirta's etcetra speeches in the parliament and then come and tell us that they don't want a Kurdistan

They will say as PKK will order them to say : Nationalism is bad, capitalism is bad, Kurdish state is not a solution, etc. Just read all Qoneyî's posts (he is Dengê PKK) and you' ll have a look on all the current political line of PKK-Öcalan : Big confederation fir all the Middle-East with no Kurdish State.

This is very sad that this forum turned out to become as it now and the admin doesn't give a damn. When you insult the turks you get banned but when you insult those fighting for you and your rights it's okay.
Have you seen any of their videos? Have you seen how they defend kurds and kurdistan, have you seen how Kaplan defended the word kurd and kurdistan?

[Piling]

Did u read the last proposals of Öcalan : "Unitarian Democratic State" and a Kurdish state is not good for Kurds.

30 years of war, 4500 destroyed villages, 45 000 dead, all for this ? Even Turkish press is shocked.

But why do u imagine ? That BDP will say that Öcalan is wrong ?

[kardox]

screw with democratic autonomy.

[Anthea]

screw with democratic autonomy.

THOUSANDS of Kurds died for FREEDOM

My thoughts:

When KURDS living in NK think about giving up all ideas of freedom and say they want to remain living in Turkey remember this:



Now hold this picture in your hand and repeat these words "I love Turkey so much that I want to give up any rights to a Free Kurdistan." Then get down on your KNEES and beg forgiveness from all the THOUSANDS of PROUD Kurds who died fighting for YOUR FREEDOM

[unitedkurdistan]

Did u read the last proposals of Öcalan : "Unitarian Democratic State" and a Kurdish state is not good for Kurds.

30 years of war, 4500 destroyed villages, 45 000 dead, all for this ? Even Turkish press is shocked.

But why do u imagine ? That BDP will say that Öcalan is wrong ?

Öcalan was lost since the day he stepped into prison. He's nothing more than a symbol and this was about the kurdish MP's not öcalan.
Have BDP said that he is right??

[Piling]

Did you hear BDP contest him ? I would like they do. But they have always followed him. And the answer to Besikçi shows it clearly.

[Anthea]

Nobody has ever insulted the Kurdish freedom fighters on this site. Remember the fight is for FREEDOM and those who died died for FREEDOM

This is what the fight is about. It was never about Kurds having a few rights and remaining under Turkish control. Quote from poem:

I shall become my own master,
the ruler of my land
so I may enjoy the fruits of my orchards,
relish the sacred wines of my vineyards
and put an end to a dark era
by seeking salvation in knowledge and science;
I shall make another new day
and breathe the pure air of the liberty.

Poem in full:

Who Am I?

Who am I, you ask ?
The Kurd of Kurdistan,
a lively volcano,
fire and dynamite
in the face of enemy.
When furious,
I shake the mountains,
the sparks of my anger
are death to my foes.

Who am I ?

I am in the east,
forts and castles
towns and hamlets,
rocks and boulders,
What irony, what a shameful day !
A slave I am now for blood suckers
Yet I saved the Middle East
from the Romans and the crusaders.

Who am I ?

Ask the Near East,
Ask the Middle East,
villages and towns,
plains and deserts.
They were once all mine
when by war and knowledge
I defeated rivals
to become crowned over an empire
stretching to the borders of India.

Who am I ?

I am the proud Kurd,
the enemies' enemy,
the friend of peace-loving ones.
I am of noble race,
not wild as they claim.
My mighty ancestors
were free people.
Like them I want to be free
and that is why I fight
for the enemy won't leave in peace
and I don't want to be forever oppressed.

Who am I ?

I shall free my land
from the tyrants;
from the corrupt Shah and Mollas,
from the Turkish juntas
so we may live free
like other nations,
so my gardens and meadows
are mine again;
So I can join the struggle
for the good of mankind.

Who am I ?

It was I who defeated
Richard the Lionheart
My own blood I shed
to defend these regions.
A thorn I was in my enemies' side;
in my shadow lived the Arabs, Turks and Persian;
many a king held my horse's head.
Yes I am the warrior,
I am Saladin,
the King of Egypt, Syria and Israel.

Who am I ?

I am Ardashir,
I am Noshi Rawan.
In the ancient days
rivals feared my caesars
regretted my animosity.
I knew no fright;
in love with adventure;
from India to Greece
they paid me tribute.

Who am I ?

Yes, I am the Kurd,
the Kurd of Kurdistan
who is poor and oppressed today.
My castles and forts
are now demolished;
my name and my fame'
swindled by my assailants,
those who set germs into my body
to paralize my existence
making a nameless soul of me;
a nation with no friends.

Who am I?

I am the one who despite it all
remains the unyielding Kurd;
still formidable to the enemy.
The smell of dynamite is again in my nostrils
and in my heart the strong desire to erupt.
I am the fighting valiant of mountains
who is not in love with death
but for the sake of life and freedom
he sacrifices himself
so that the land of his ancestors,
the invincible Medes;
his beloved Kurdistan , may become unchained.

Who am I?

One of my ancestors was the Blacksmith Kawa
who slayed Dahak, the notorious tyrant
to break off chains from Kurdish shoulders
and save many heads from the sword and death.
The day his vicious reign ended
was called NEWROZ, the New Day.
When Newroz comes winter departs
taking with it the dark harsh times
to make place for light and warmth.
This is the time, as Zoroaster says,
the evil spirit Ahriman is defeated
at the hand of Ormazd, the god of wisdom and light.

Who am I?

I am the maker of Newroz;
again I shall become my own master,
the ruler of my land
so I may enjoy the fruits of my orchards,
relish the sacred wines of my vineyards
and put an end to a dark era
by seeking salvation in knowledge and science;
I shall make another new day
and breathe the pure air of the liberty.

Who am I?

I am Kordokh, the good old Khaldew;
I am Mitan; Nayri and Sobar;
the son of Lo Lo; Kardok and Kodi;
I am the Mede, the Gosh, Hori and Gudi;
I am the Kurmanc, Kelhor; Lor and Gor;
yes, I have always been and remain the Kurd.
Despite centuries of suppression
in a country by force divided.

Who am I?

I am the son of Lor, Kelhor and Kurmanc
who have lost crown and reign
to become powerless,
betrayed in the name of religion
to carry rosaries in their hands
duped by the rulers,
deprived of might and wealth,
fighting each other, divided and torn
while my oppressed Kurdistan,
my wretched Kurdistan
remains possessed.

Who am I?

The son of the Kurdish nation
awaken from deep sleep,
marching forward,
proud as a lion
wanting the whole world to know;
I shall struggle and continue the path to freedom;
I shall learn from great men,
Like Marx and Lenin.
I make a vow to my ancestors,
to Salar, Shergo and Deysem,
that this of mine will remain vigorous, unyielding, stronger than death.
Let it be known;
I announce with no fear;
Liberty is my goal;
I shall advance in this path.

Who am I ?

I am not blood thirsty;
no, I adore peace.
Noble were my ancestors;
sincere are my leaders,
We don't ask for war but demand equality
but our enemies are the ones who betray and lie.
Friendship I seek and offer my hands
to all friendly nations.
Long live Kurdistan;
death to the oppressor!!!

[Anthea]

SERIOUS QUESTION: Why Are PKK fighters called Kurdish Freedom Fighters ? ? ?

Surely if all the Kurdish people, and we are talking about the Kurdish people NOT the politicians who live and die, come and go, but the Kurdish people living under Turkish oppression, if the Kurdish people did not want freedom for Kurdistan then instead of referring to the the PKK fighters as "Kurdish Freedom Fighters" they could have been be referred to as:

"Kurdish We Want To Remain Living Under The Fascist Turkish Government But With A Few More Rights Fighters"

Somehow I very much doubt that anyone who ever have joined them

The PKK fighters leave their families and friends behind and risk their lives for the FREEDOM of KURDISTAN. Many thousands had died fighting for that FREEDOM and NO political leader should ever try to negotiate that freedom away

[unitedkurdistan]

Did you hear BDP contest him ? I would like they do. But they have always followed him. And the answer to Besikçi shows it clearly.

So are you telling me that Öcalan was the one who told the kurds to go hunger strike, the one who told kurds to go and demonstrate for their rights, the one who told the kurdish MP's what to say when it's their turn in the rostrum, this list can go on and on and on from the day he was put in jail. So are you gonna tell me he was the one who told the kurds in bakur to all the things they have gone through since the he was put in jail or was it the will and spirit of the people?
Wasn't it just recently BDP got connections with him.