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SK missing Yezidi Girl draws Intervention of World’s Yezidis

PostAuthor: Anthea » Sun Feb 03, 2013 12:40 am

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Missing Yezidi Girl in Kurdistan Draws Intervention of World’s Yezidis

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TEKLEF, Kurdistan Region—The leader of the world’s small Yezidi community appealed to Iraq’s autonomous Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) to help resolve the case of a missing 11-year-old Yezidi girl, who by some accounts was kidnapped by a Muslim man and by other accounts eloped with him.

On January 9, 11-year-old Simon Dowud went missing from the village of Hurzan in the Teklef area. Her family say she was abducted by Hassan Nasruler, a 20-year-old Muslim man from the Goran tribe. But Hassan told his family he had not kidnapped the girl, and that she had followed him. They subsequently married and, according to a trusted source, have fled to the Mosul area. Her family say that, even if she was not abducted, the marriage to the underage girl is still illegal. Hassan’s first wife is currently asking for a divorce.

“The KRG haven’t done anything serious about this kidnapping,” said Mir Tahsin Beg, leader of the world’s Yezidis, most of whom are Kurds living in northern Iraq.

“I sent messages to the president of the KRG, the head of government in KRG and all the political party leaders, but unfortunately I haven’t had any replies,” Beg complained in a phone interview with Rudaw from Germany, where he lives.

“If the KRG made every effort to bring Simon back, this case wouldn’t have escalated to this extent. We are very upset and we don’t want to create a problem in Kurdistan,” he said, adding that, “We would like to end this matter through wise discussions without violence - but at this time, we are still waiting for an answer from these officials.”

In letters to Kurdistan Region President Massoud Barzani and Prime Minister Nechirvan Barzani, Beg said he had called on the KRG to put an end to the kidnapping of Yezidi girls, and to make every effort to return Simon to her family, explaining that such actions cause Yezidi people to flee Kurdistan.

Mashir Bashar Agha, head of the Goran tribe, posted a letter of apology on the Internet addressed to the Kurdish Yezidis. “This kind of immoral act is individual and does not reflect Goran tribal values,” he explained.

Bashir Khali, head of the religious committee in the Kurdish parliament said, “If anybody wants to marry someone from a different religion and even if the girl agrees, the couple still need to get permission from their families to do so.”

According to Kurdish law, girls under 16 cannot legally marry. Also, a man who seeks to marry a second wife must gain permission from his first wife.

Bashar Agha, head of the Goran tribe who lives in the town of Khalachia, told Rudaw that, “The reason that the girl has not yet been handed back to her family is not due to us or the girl’s family, but because the newly-married couple are afraid and have run away so we don’t know where they are.”

He added, “We don’t have any power over them but if they give themselves up to the Kurdish authorities I’m sure they will receive protection.”

Simon’s father, Dawud Ismail, says he has promised not to persecute his daughter, and urged her to return to the family. “I went to the police, registered a complaint and am waiting for the government to respond,” he told Rudaw.

Hari Bozani, a Yezidi representative, said that “Representatives of the American Consulate in the KRG visited me and said they were concerned about Simon’s situation. They promised to look into the matter very carefully.”

Yezidi Kurds living in Germany staged a demonstration last week, asking that Hassan Nasruler be tried, and for the return of Simon to her family. They also called for two new laws, one protecting children’s rights and the other for the protection of minority religious groups.

http://www.rudaw.net/english/kurds/5706.html
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Re: SK missing Yezidi Girl draws Intervention of World’s Yez

PostAuthor: Piling » Sun Feb 03, 2013 7:57 pm

Perhaps the girl is afraid to come back now, she could remember Do'a Khalid Aswad fate :

http://abcnews.go.com/International/Sto ... 288&page=3

In any case, the kidnapper is mad. She is only 11 years old, it is not a love story but a child's abuse.
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PostAuthor: Anthea » Sun Feb 03, 2013 8:58 pm

Piling wrote:Perhaps the girl is afraid to come back now, she could remember Do'a Khalid Aswad fate :

http://abcnews.go.com/International/Sto ... 288&page=3

In any case, the kidnapper is mad. She is only 11 years old, it is not a love story but a child's abuse.

ALL the savage men who were involved Doa's murder should be executed in exactly the same way X(

But 11 year old Simon Dowud was a child, surely nobody would harm her. I know what I would do to the man who kidnapped her :ymdevil:
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Re: SK missing Yezidi Girl draws Intervention of World’s Yez

PostAuthor: Piling » Sun Feb 03, 2013 9:23 pm

If the girl come back at home, there will be a terrible social pressure about the family. She could be suspected to not be a virgin, in any case 'spoiled' by her marriage, especially with a muslim (even inter - yazidi casts marriages could be difficult).

The paper said that the best thing that could happen is that KRG protects her.
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PostAuthor: Anthea » Sun Feb 03, 2013 9:38 pm

Piling wrote:If the girl come back at home, there will be a terrible social pressure about the family. She could be suspected to not be a virgin, in any case 'spoiled' by her marriage, especially with a muslim (even inter - yazidi casts marriages could be difficult).

The paper said that the best thing that could happen is that KRG protects her.

How long could they protect her for? Will the poor child ever have anything like a normal life again.

Perhaps she would be a lot safer if she remained with her kidnapper and move to an entirely different country where there are NO Kurds.
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PostAuthor: burnsss » Mon Feb 04, 2013 2:17 am

What can i say this is disgrace and the man should be put in jail for kidnaping and rape. The most disturbing part is the mans family siding with him. Embarassing all kurds
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PostAuthor: Kurdistano » Mon Feb 04, 2013 10:48 am

Now the question for KRG is, should we give her back to her family and risk that the same happens to her what happened to Doa. The Child must get under KRG protection and the man belongs to punished for kidnapping a child and to show the Yezidi community some sort of support.

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Re: SK missing Yezidi Girl draws Intervention of World’s Yez

PostAuthor: Anthea » Mon Feb 04, 2013 2:58 pm

I confess I do not know very much about Yezidi culture and traditions. In some cultures kidnapping a girl (not as young as 11) is the way to take a wife.

Seriously, the man finds someone he wants to marry and then he kidnaps her, sometimes but not always, with the girl's consent. Once the girl has been kidnapped the girl's family has to allow the marriage. Are Yezidis the same?
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Re: SK missing Yezidi Girl draws Intervention of World’s Yez

PostAuthor: Piling » Mon Feb 04, 2013 3:27 pm

In some cultures kidnapping a girl (not as young as 11) is the way to take a wife.


Not only Yezidis, it was a Kurdish custom, but now KRG forbids it.

History :

Lovers from the same religion :

The old custom was that when 2 young persons loved each others, and one or both families refused, the boy could kidnap the girl (but only if she did agree, never without her consent). They fled and all the girl's brothers ran after them. If after 3 days, they could not catch them, they could not kill them anymore. If they caught them in this time of 3 days, they killed the boy and the girl.

There are among Yezidis some impossibilities to marry someone not from your cast. I don't know if their religious leaders could allow it.

In many cases, the lovers asked asylum in a Sheikh, or an Agha, or a religious pîr/sheikh (if they were yezidis), or any important man in the society. After 3 days, the one who sheltered them went to the family and bargained and paid for the wedding. Or a collect was organized among neighbors and money was given to the girl's family (dowry is given by male in Kurdish society).

When a muslim loved a christian or a jew :

If she was not from a Christian tribe in Hakkari (they were the same warriors than Kurdish muslims so they were respected), the girl belonged to an inferior status, as a 'raya' . So a young Kurds could kidnapped her (she could agree also) and she had to convert to islam. The same for Jews.

Yezidis :

Yezidi tribes were sheltered in their mountains and had weapons also. In a case of kidnapping, they could hunt the couple, and killed both of them. As in Do'a's case, lovers could find asylum in a muslim shkeih' house, or a muslim family. But there could not be agreement between families from different religions. The girl lost all her relatives and had to convert to islam. She stayed still in danger to be kill by her family or other yezidis.

In other words, the practice of kidnapping could be a good way for 2 lovers to be married against their families' will without being killed. But there could have been abuses or violences from muslims against minorities and a tool of conversion. So it is a sensitive point among Yezidis.
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PostAuthor: Anthea » Mon Feb 04, 2013 5:08 pm

Could I go and kidnap myself a husband :ymdevil:

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How long has the practice of kidnapping been banned?

I suppose it is the same as banning Honour killings and female circumcision. The government bans them but the people ignore the government and still do it X(

How much dowry is a wife worth?
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PostAuthor: talsor » Mon Feb 04, 2013 5:31 pm

I do not know why it is called kidnapping when there a mutual agreement between the girl and the boy . By the way in Kurdish it is called "Revanden " which roughly translate to "running away with " and not "kidnapping "

I'm certainly not referring to this particular case here ,but I think it is brave and admirable to break the barrier of culture /religion in order marry someone you love . most if not all so called kidnapping are preceded by multiple attempt by the man to convince the girls family to allow the marriage , but when all faile "Revanden " is the only option despite the consequences.

The Yezidi girl case it is typical paedophilia and there is little KRG can do considering that the guy is in Mosul which is under Central government control .
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PostAuthor: Piling » Mon Feb 04, 2013 5:35 pm

I do not know why it is called kidnapping when there a mutual agreement between the girl and the boy


Because it was against family's will. Don't forget that for traditional society (which has existed in Europe also), children belong to their parents and their marriage was an economical trade between 2 families.

So when a girl fled, her relatives reacted as if a thief robbed their cow … :-D
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PostAuthor: talsor » Mon Feb 04, 2013 5:39 pm

Anthea wrote:Could I go and kidnap myself a husband :ymdevil:

Forget that thought, the smell of cigarettes makes me feel ill
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How long has the practice of kidnapping been banned?

I suppose it is the same as banning Honour killings and female circumcision. The government bans them but the people ignore the government and still do it X(

How much dowry is a wife worth?


Why the attack on Kurdish culture and Kurdish men ? Someone could easily response to the above and trust me you are not going to like it .
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Re: SK missing Yezidi Girl draws Intervention of World’s Yez

PostAuthor: talsor » Mon Feb 04, 2013 5:40 pm

Piling wrote:
I do not know why it is called kidnapping when there a mutual agreement between the girl and the boy


Because it was against family's will. Don't forget that for traditional society (which has existed in Europe also), children belong to their parents and their marriage was an economical trade between 2 families.

So when a girl fled, her relatives reacted as if a thief robbed their cow :-D

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PostAuthor: Anthea » Mon Feb 04, 2013 6:03 pm

talsor wrote:
Anthea wrote:Forget that thought, the smell of cigarettes makes me feel ill
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Why the attack on Kurdish culture and Kurdish men ? Someone could easily response to the above and trust me you are not going to like it .

Only Kurdish men who smoke :D

Most Kurdish ladies do NOT like their husbands to smoke. Sadly, several of the ladies have asked me to stop their husbands smoking and a lot of Kurdish men in England are ill due to smoking.

One poor lady told me the noise her husbands chest makes when he sleeps. She is always frightened he will not wake up.
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