Kurdistan president Massoud Barzani arrives in France 29.6.

[Piling]

une 29, 2013

PARIS,— The president of the Kurdistan region, Massoud Barzani has arrived to the French capital Paris on Saturday 29, June.

An informed source told the National Iraqi News Agency Saturday "Barzani would meet, during his visit to Paris,www.ekurd.net with the French President Francois Holland, to discuss bilateral relations between the province and France as well as a number of topics of mutual interest."

President of Kurdistan, Massoud Barzani left Kurdistan on June 29th for Moscow to participate in Saint Petersburg International Economic Forum.

Kurdistan region's presidency said that on the side of the 2-day Forum, Barzani meets many personalities officials participating in the Forum and Russian officials.

Kurdistan President is accompanied by high ranking delegation, include Falah Mustafa, head of KRG Foreign Relations, and Hersh Muharam, head of Investment Board of Kurdistan Region.

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[Feyli_kord]

Why do they do that? What can they possibly get from france, that they can't get elsewhere. It's like they forgot that the french were saddams best friends. Zero dignity and self-respect.

[Piling]

If Kurds should not go to any former 'Saddam's friends' states, I guess that only Tonga Islands and Iran would be allowed to them

[Feyli_kord]

If Kurds should not go to any former 'Saddam's friends' states, I guess that only Tonga Islands and Iran would be allowed to them

Nope, only the french and the germans gave unwavering support to saddam, the french went the extra mile to help saddam(sending pilots, building nuclear plants, selling billions in weapons). I also would hate to see benefit going to such an arrogant country. Other kurds might kiss western ass no matter what, but this shit is going too far. There has to be some sort of limit to this disgraceful catering. If kurds were strong supporters of an anti-french regime that killed thousands of french, and gave those people weapons and went out of their way to ensure their survival, do you think the french would have a neutral relationship with us? Nope. Now the french, US, other western states are supporting full-scale genocide against shiahs(Syria and Iraq) by backing salafist terrorists in syria like FSA, and salafists in egypt and saudi-arabia, others might be able to, but I won't let that slide.

[Piling]

And what about USA and Iran betraying Mustafa Barzani with the Accords d'Agers in 1975 ?

USA did not support Saddam even during Anfal, while CIA tried to make believe that Chemical attacks were perpetrated by Iran ?

And what about Georges Bush senior betraying Kurds and Iraqi Shiites after he called them to revolt in March 1991 ?

After all, France has never stated to be Kurds' friends, not like America… So it might be worst.

All Western states are guilty, but also Eastern countries like Arab League and all these 'muslim brothers states' which supported Saddam agains Iran because they were hostile to Shiites' revolution…

And concerning Iran it is currently the worst country for Kurds, it does not prevent KRG to call it 'friend'. Diplomacy and Raison d'État are the most powerful motives for amnesia.

And Syria was never 'kind' for its Kurds. Your partiality towars Shi'a makes you blind. Many Shiites don't like Kurds. They just call them 'Omari'.

So in a moral point of view Barzani chould only visit King of Tonga Islands… (if the late one was not a Saddam's friend, who knows ?)

[Anthea]

I will remind you of all the countries Kurdistan now works with because of it's trade in oil:

USA

• Exxon Mobil, Chevron, Aspect Energy, Marathon Oil Corporation, Hillwood International Energy, Hunt Oil, Prime Oil, Murphy Oil, Hess Corporation, HKN Energy, Viking International

Canada

• Forbes and Manhattan, Western Zagros Resources, Talisman Energy Inc, NIKO Resources, Ground Star, Shamaran

South Korea

• Korea National Oil Company (KNOC)

Turkey

• Genel Energy, Petoil, Dogan

Britain

• Gulf Keystone Petroleum, Sterling Energy, Heritage Oil

Anglo-French

• Perenco

UAE

• TAQA, Dana Petroleum

France

• Total

Austria

• OMV

China

• China acquired a significant presence in Iraqi Kurdistan after Sinopec Group bought Addax Petroleum in 2009.

Hungary

• MOL

India

• Reliance Industries

Papua New Guinea

• Oil Search

Russia

• Norbest, Gazprom Neft

Norway

• DNO

Iraq

• Oil Search (Iraq) Limited, Kar Group, Qaiwan Group

Spain

• Repsol

Independent

• AFREN

Kurdistan now trades internationally

[Piling]

Kurdistan now trades internationally

And that's a good step toward independence. UN will only allow a free Kurdish state if Kurdistan offers better business opportunities than Iraq, not because of moral reasons.

[Feyli_kord]

And what about USA and Iran betraying Mustafa Barzani with the Accords d'Agers in 1975 ?

USA did not support Saddam even during Anfal, while CIA tried to make believe that Chemical attacks were perpetrated by Iran ?

And what about Georges Bush senior betraying Kurds and Iraqi Shiites after he called them to revolt in March 1991 ?

After all, France has never stated to be Kurds' friends, not like America… So it might be worst.

All Western states are guilty, but also Eastern countries like Arab League and all these 'muslim brothers states' which supported Saddam agains Iran because they were hostile to Shiites' revolution…

And concerning Iran it is currently the worst country for Kurds, it does not prevent KRG to call it 'friend'. Diplomacy and Raison d'État are the most powerful motives for amnesia.

And Syria was never 'kind' for its Kurds. Your partiality towars Shi'a makes you blind. Many Shiites don't like Kurds. They just call them 'Omari'.

So in a moral point of view Barzani chould only visit King of Tonga Islands… (if the late one was not a Saddam's friend, who knows ?)

Yes many have betrayed kurds, but france is entirely useless to us and also had a closer relationship to saddam than all those you mentioned, besides being terribly arrogant and racist state(France, UK, Spain and Germany are the biggest middle-east haters in western europe). We should be independent of this as far as possible to maintain our honor. And as far I can see, why should we let countries like france, who are neither neccesary and totally useless to our development and security to make money of us? Ontop of having being best friends with saddam. USA are bastards, but the alliance with them at the moment is neccesary, and unlike france, they're moderately useful.

Obviously we can't isolate ourselves, but we can afford to deny benefits to unneccesary states and not sell our honor entirely.

I also don't know why you think Shiahs hate kurds. I know alot of shiahs, arab and persian, their biggest gripe with kurds is kurdish independence, not the majority of them being "sunnis". Never ever heard of kurds being called omaris.

[Piling]

Never ever heard of kurds being called omaris.

Then go to Iran and open your ears.

Concerning Barzani's visit, the man is not a fool. If he comes he thinks he could find some profits.

It is not his first visit in France and especially during the civil war, Barzani and Talabani came often while Western powers tried to end their fight (Accords de Rambouillet, then Drogheda's meeting etc.).

Now he is traveling as the president of a quasi independant State : at first he visited Russia, then France, and before USA, etc. That's good : Maliki, by choosing Bashar and Iran's side is becoming more isolated.

[Cewlik]

(France, UK, Spain and Germany are the biggest middle-east haters in western europe). We should be independent of this as far as possible to maintain our honor.

Shut up, the KRG is not stuid to ignore the biggest states in Europe what do you think in which position Kurds are?

Of course Kurds should make more pressure and should demand more from the west like the recognition of Kurdistans right to independence, but without risking the end of the relationship.

Barzani make a good job, thats why the enemies of Kurdistan dont like him.

[Feyli_kord]

(France, UK, Spain and Germany are the biggest middle-east haters in western europe). We should be independent of this as far as possible to maintain our honor.

Shut up, the KRG is not stuid to ignore the biggest states in Europe what do you think in which position Kurds are?

Of course Kurds should make more pressure and should demand more from the west like the recognition of Kurdistans right to independence, but without risking the end of the relationship.

Barzani make a good job, thats why the enemies of Kurdistan dont like him.

I'm going to be called crazy and i'll piss off anthea and piling, but I don't care, I haven't broken any forum rules, this purely my opinion. Not directed towards any members or moderators.


You'd sell your own honor for these arrogant european states, who think still think of themselves as world masters even after their empires crumbled. You probably think kurds are "aryan". They have been our external enemies since before islam and colonized west-asian lands for centuries(Romans, greeks, then as crusaders, finally as brits, italians french, and today as nato). These people go there to dominate and exploit. The only reason why european powers like britain didn't create a south-africa in the middle-east was because of the climate and dense settlement of the region. Even the victorian british economist says that clearly.

Who do you think installed saddam? Who do you think supported arab nationalists? Who do you think supported kemal ata turk and the kemalist state? That is hailed all over europe as one of the most democratic and sucessful in the world. Who do you think supports salafists? Why was there an islamic revolution in Iran? which is viewed as the most terrible regime in history, when genocidal salafist create their own backward revolutions that kills hundreds of thousands of people, not a single one of the westerners and europeans say a single thing. Finally who do you think left us to die in the hands of turkish and arab nationalists after ww2?

Even if you think arabs and turks(that is granted as many, especially nationalists) are our enemies, the "biggest" european states are our enemies and have been so for a long time. They pit us against one another and faciliate conflicts. They act like our land is their wrecking ground and so they can invest and exploit whoever gets power in the middle-east, just like saddam, who they catered to and babied. The sooner we make peace with our neighbours the better. A middle-east at peace is stronger than a middle-east where everyone is warring against each other.

Don't you see how they never mention their own states and focus mainly on role of turks and arabs, and other "inferior non-whites" as our enemies. They hate the Turks and Arabs and think we're foolish and malleable enough to become their dogs in the middle-east, because we have conflicts with them, so they exploit our enmity with our neighbours to turn us into their dogs(In reality they think that we kurds are the same lowly animals as they think of the turks and arabs, only we're dumb enough to become politically their dogs). The more we're divided and against one another, the more ethnocentric we become, the easier it is for us to war with each other, and opress each other. The fight for land is meaningless today, turks and arab nationalists don't realize that. If they understood that an independent kurdistan wouldn't be a problem, they wouldn't be "defending" their "territorial integrity".

[Piling]

I guess that Total investments in Kurdistan and Syrian Kurds had been the main topics of the meeting. I could be fine if KRG would have obtained financial and logistic support for Domiz camp…

June 29, 2013

PARIS,— The president of the Kurdistan region, Massoud Barzani has arrived to the French capital Paris on Saturday, June 29th.

French President Francois Hollande received at the Elysee Palace in Paris, Kurdistan President, Massoud Barzani, on Saturday.

Kurdistan's presidency website said said :"The tow sides discussed bilateral relations and the developments of cooperation in different fields and a number of topics of mutual interest."

The talks came within the framework of the visit carried out by Barzani to Paris, accompanied by a senior delegation.

The two officials held talks at the Elysee Palace in Paris, according to a statement issued by the Presidency of Kurdistan Region.

The statement quoted Barzani as saying that “relations between Kurdistan and France are long-standing relationships,” praising “the supportive and sympathetic position of the French people with Kurdistan people’s cause, so this meeting stressed the need to deepen relations between the two sides in a better way”.

The meeting talked also about the current situation in Iraq from security and stability side in general and Iraq's role in the region in particular, the role of Kurds in Syria was highlighted also.

Massoud Barzani left Kurdistan on June 29th for Moscow to participate in Saint Petersburg International Economic Forum.

Kurdistan region's presidency said that on the side of the 2-day Forum, Barzani meets many personalities officials participating in the Forum and Russian officials.

Kurdistan President is accompanied by high ranking delegation, include Falah Mustafa, head of KRG Foreign Relations, and Hersh Muharam, head of Investment Board of Kurdistan Region.

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[Cewlik]

@Feyli_kord you Iranian agent, fuck your Ayatollah state, it would be a big honor to help the west to destroy your barbaric regime.

You think you will turn the Kurds against the west with a fake account? Shame to your mother who give birth to such a shit like you.

Ez zanim tu derawcini, tu cyi te dixwazi u cyi gola te li viri?

[Feyli_kord]

@Feyli_kord you Iranian agent, fuck your Ayatollah state, it would be a big honor to help the west to destroy your barbaric regime.

You think you will turn the Kurds against the west with a fake account? Shame to your mother who give birth to such a shit like you.

Ez zanim tu derawcini, tu cyi te dixwazi u cyi gola te li viri?

Dude you're totally unreachable. What made you think I'm an Iranian agent? Because I don't ass kiss America and France? I'm pan middle-eastern, not pro-iran/pro-iraq/pro-turkey/pro-syria. If you had any self-respect, you'd read what I write, instead of throwing libels like "Iranian agent" and other empty baseless crap.


But hey man, when Israel, France and America abandons you to be devoured by arab/turkish nationalists, don't tell me i didn't tell you so. Instead of seeing the big picture, you want to align yourself with racist anti-middle-eastern imperialists like france. Which is totally naive, because they don't see you as an ally, they see you as some sand-n*****er they can exploit for oil, work and projects. They even have a term for people like us "Boughnoul".

But go ahead man, when they abandon and let you get devoured by arab/turkish nationalists, i'm sure they'll have armies that will intervene on your behalf. Idiots like you forget how much france respects non-white muslims like yourself(Almost all kurds and Algerians, morrocans and turks live in ghettoes in paris) remember Algeria? That's how much respect they have for you and your problems with turkish/arab nationalists. That country experienced almost 90 years of hell, only because the population was a militarily weak non-white berber/arab muslim country and the french considered themselves superior.

They don't give a shit about you. They only respect the strongest in a region, and then proceed to exploit them. Like they did with saddam and the shah.

[Feyli_kord]

But your mother kisses american cocks.

You dont speak Kurdish, you dont even can answer my Kurdish question. You love the occupiers of Kurdistan and claim that Kurds who say Biji Kurdistan are racists and like Saddamist and Kemalists.

Yup, because they're nationalist idiots who hate turks/arabs because of infighting within our regions. They're as dumb as the arab/turkish nationalists who attack kurds, because they're kurds, or are against kurdish independence, because they believe turkey/iraq is final.

Only a savage talks about others mothers. If you have a problem with me, insult me, not my mother.

I am sure that they like more your mothers anti american ass.

Such son of a whore like you will make me more pro american. Learn Kurdish before you claim that you are a Kurd.

Which question did you ask? I don't speak sorani unfortunately. And you don't speak feyli.


God you're naive... you think that France will create serious relationships with kurdistan? I've lived with europeans and whites for a very long time, I know their views, both private and public, I've gone to their schools, I've seen what they write, both publically and anonymously, I know their mindset, mentality and their position. They're only talking to massoud, because they think that building a temporary relationship with KRG, that it will secure their companies working and export contracts, and create jobs for french workers, and bring wealth to france. They'll of course If kurdistan didn't have any resources, they'd treat massoud barazani like a nobody, or they'd try to control what little resources kurdistan has, by treating them like they do african agricultural states, like debt-slaves, who they keep into their pockets and have their companies exploit the countrys products to the max. Which is their standard stance towards non-white nations, no matter how much they scream about democracy, human-rights, equality, no matter how many charities they create or how much subsidizing they do(which usually is a way to financially entrap nations).

The west is all about empty slogans, double-think and capitalism. You can't depend on them, because they'll stab you in the back, after they shake your hand. They'll replace you if you rebel against them. They'll love you if you turn your country into a western satelite, and they'll hate you and demonize you if you stand against the hiearchy they create. Meanwhile their countries are totally safe, secure, has no large problems, they have no wars, no to very little poverty(the poorest in their countries are usually non-white immigrants), no food insecurity, no economic problems(until very recently when the EU made a mess),

meanwhile we kurds, turks, arabs, iranians kill each other over patches of land, and they exploit that situation. I'm not saying that Turks, Iranians and Iraqis are innocent. Of course not, Saddam, Ata turk, the Shah, and even Khomeini treated us like shit. But they were dumb, because they believe their local conflicts mean things( how easily didn't saddam fall? When he rebelled against the USA). Iran-Iraq war means shit in the bigger picture, all it did was to make iraq and iran into ruins. The turkish campaign to attack and surpress kurds in Turkey was stupid, because northern kurdistan/eastern turkey doesn't have any value, borders don't matter. If kurdistan came into being in middle-east, it wouldn't affect the bigger picture.